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explode resolve your e-ticket ride is

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the world of the paranoid

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strap your selfie as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO

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ghosts lost world

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night and night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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and all this luggage I have here oh my

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god I don't know what's going on let me

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get on the plane with it up I'm glad we

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Tim I'm glad we booked first-class

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tickets for you me and in our guests

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because I know where we're going to be

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going around the world tonight on a

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paranormal escapade I certainly don't

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want to sit back in coach I mean my god

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just looking through the curtain I can

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see this havoc going on back there what

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what chaos boy I'm glad we're up here in

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in front sorry Stuart yes yes yes well

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we'll sit down don't worry about it

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don't worry about we'll take it oh my

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goodness here comes here comes oh well

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all right we'll behave I promise all

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right just past the champagne hey Tim

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how you doing are you run forward are

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you you you got your seat belt on over

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there we're on the road to nowhere

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yes Tim I'm onboard and ready to go oh

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boy oh boy I'm glad I'm glad we're in

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first class because we would never make

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it otherwise we got a long long journey

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and and and I see our guests are here of

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with us there's no us from us in the

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next aisle

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they've already been they've already

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broken in area and handled yeah they've

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already been oh no no no no no worry

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we're going to make sure that none of

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our guests you know I mean they're there

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they're privileged they're there they're

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the elite of explorers are you know well

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you know I didn't want to take I did

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want to take a UFO but we had to settle

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for a 747 this time the attina said we

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just didn't have the budget for that

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round-trip and a flying saucer so 747

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yeah we're flying retro tonight right is

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that retro is now all right well Tim

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enough of this I was going to say

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horsing around but that's really retro

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good evening yeah let's let us get on

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with the show

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why'd you tell us and our vast audience

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out there

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who our guests are this evening and

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we're in Santa we will be going oh my

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gosh well we'll be going hopefully

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everywhere tonight Tim but our guests

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got to just absolutely fantastic guests

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on us absolutely pleased they've joined

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us tonight first of all we have and Anna

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you'll have to correct me if I

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mispronounce your name but I'll give it

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a try here we have Anna Maria Eliza

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manalo me Anna

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all right okay well tell us I mean how

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do you put out your last name Anna it's

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Monello although I hello Ken actually

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means winner yeah fantastic all right

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well Anna is a counselor by profession

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and an aspiring screenwriter with

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numerous accolades for her science

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fiction and horror screenplays that she

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hopes to get some of them produced for

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the screen as they were inspired to

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stand by her personal experiences as a

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UFO field investigator for MUFON during

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a brief stint in 2008 and 2009 some of

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her experiences were adopted from books

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written by Philip mantel and Paul

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Stonehill now I should say that she's

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got a a book coming out hopefully by the

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end of 2017 under the pen name what's

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been named a delay heidi.brown Soroka

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adele Casals Rocha actually is a it's a

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Spanish name obviously because I have a

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Spanish heritage for the background it

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ties into the book in terms of the

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cultural aspects of it but Cassell's

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is translated as house Rocha is rock so

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it's a solid house that's kind of like

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the way it would translate all right

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well and I should point out that Anna

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was born and raised in San Juan the

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Philippines were family members

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witnessed operation specters and a mock

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man type of creature which led to her

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father's untimely death and and I

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rent that account and that's just

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absolutely terrified

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did you yes yes I you know and and I

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completely unrelated to the show I ran

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across it oh gosh probably about a month

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or so ago before I even realize that

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you're going to be on our show and I

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will bring this up so the audience can

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hear this as well okay also with us

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tonight Tim is Michael Huntington and

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this is a Michaels a return visit to

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exploring the bazaar and he's a

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paranormal travel writer researcher and

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artist who's had a lifetime fascination

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for weird stories and strange encounters

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especially UFOs so Michael travels two

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dozen of strange locations each year

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with his wife and young boys documenting

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what they see now Michael is a

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fascinating has and documented in

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photographs cases and locations of

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famous UFO sightings hauntings cryptid

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location space and aviation museums film

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locations and other weird and

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fascinating stuff so Anna Michael thank

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you very much for being with us tonight

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on exploring the bazaar thank you good

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to be here yeah well I see we've got a

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lot of traveling to do and I start out

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yeah I want to start out with that Anna

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who has we've been the friends on

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Facebook for a while we really haven't

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communicated all that all that much now

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Anna why don't you tell start at the

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beginning I guess how you you had as a

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experience in your family how did you

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get all involved in in this I mean you

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you seem to be dedicating your life for

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a good part of it towards the expressing

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your your belief and interest in the

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paranormal and the unknown

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well it wasn't intended that way I was

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born and raised in a country that had

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experienced a lot of tragedy it's an old

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country where we had World War two and

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as you know when things like that happen

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where you have massacre

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that's and you know things of that

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nature that are beyond description

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remnants of those events linger I was

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raised in a household that happened to

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be unwittingly the graveyard of a lot of

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Japanese soldiers and I'll tell you

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that's not where I began I actually

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began about three miles away

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and stopped me at any point if you think

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I'm talking too much I attempted oh my

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goodness my goodness no I was in a small

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apartment I would say was newly built at

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the time in a town called little Biagio

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be a GU i/o it's kind of hard to

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pronounce but it's a very small hamlet

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of San Juan and it was about maybe three

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miles from my grandmother's house and

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this week we should point out again is

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in the in the Philippines this is in the

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Philippines so that you look at a map of

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the Philippines it's in the largest

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island of Luzon and situated where you

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would have the I it's right above the

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aha so if you look at it like as if it's

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an animal that's where you would find

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San Juan and the place where we lived in

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actually with a series of townhouse

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apartments and this is where we first

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encountered something that was very very

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terrifying at the time I really I

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personally don't have a conscious

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recollection of what had occurred but I

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you know my mother was there my father

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obviously was there

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another and about and how old would you

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have been I was when it started I was

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probably merely a year old ah really not

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conscious of all these by then the first

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recollection I had of something that was

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totally awry I was

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probably about two and a half and it was

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probably two days after my father passed

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away but this is where he saw through

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the window a creature that was probably

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about nine feet tall and if you look at

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the Mothman accounts which I know

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there's a flap right now in Chicago

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that's what I hear you

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yeah the descriptions are pretty close I

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would say the shape of the face the

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wingspan that kind of like a leathery

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look you know the way it moves is very

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much right on and I was really surprised

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a little bit taken aback by it because I

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had you know seeing the movie where

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Richard Gere read the book by John keel

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but I really didn't get a picture of it

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until when I saw these accounts and as

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they said with the Silver Bridge story

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which is supposed to be kind of like a

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harbinger of things to come

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this creature showed up at our apartment

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window at the dead of night actually

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once Twilight set in he would start

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hearing a humming and my father had

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identify writer so he worked from home

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and he's relatively young he was 24 when

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he passed away he had just gotten out of

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college a few years back they had gotten

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married so this is their first apartment

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together the nursery where I was was

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right next door his den was in the

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middle now were you on the ground floor

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we were on the second floor okay so that

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means what that means Mothman would have

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been flying or hovering I mean it was

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like underground yeah yeah in this case

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it was hovering from what I understand

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it was actually clinging to the window

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and windows back then because there's no

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air conditioning

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they were pretty high up there were

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pretty large

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they had wrought iron bars on him for

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protection even on the second floor and

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right about I would say yards past the

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window there was a creek and lining the

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creek were these huge trees one of those

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trees happened to be right across my

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father's window and he had a desk that

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was a few feet from the window he would

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face the window he had you know a

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smith-corona typewriter but as things

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went on for several months this creature

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would show up at the window and it would

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be preceded by a very subtle humming

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sound like a ringing in your ears and

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things seemed to stand still from what I

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understand and then he would see this

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creature and it was a manifestation of

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sheer Menace sense a very deep sense of

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sadness I feel creeped out right now

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talking about it all the hairs on my

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arms are standing and he would back away

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from the desk and try to convince

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someone to come in quickly enough to be

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able to see it

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and in every instance by the time either

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the maid or my mother came in the

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creature was gone so for a while he

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thought he was he was illuminating until

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one particular time the maid walked in

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and happened to see this creature it was

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pointedly looking at him as he was

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sitting there at his typewriter trying

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to ignore it that's only that is so

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eerie yes it was very eerie and

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eventually whatever we had gotten to the

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pool they had gotten to the point I mean

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I was too small where they didn't want

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to leave him alone it just so happened

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that one afternoon they they did the

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maid had left from what I understand met

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up with a relative and by the time my

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mother came back to the apartment with

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in tow he had already done some things

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and it was irreversible and he he died

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of a heart attack er no he he slashed

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his wrists oh my goodness she found him

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in the bathroom yeah I can talk simply

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right now because it's been quite a

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number of years but us she had told me

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in detail the entire story I actually

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did not know any of this until I was

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about 18 years old but the uncanny part

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about it is that my friends in school

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used to ask me how come your uncle picks

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you up from school how come you're not

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your dad and I would actually tell him

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because he killed himself he slashed his

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wrists and I found out it was true just

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because I happened upon the death

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certificate when I was 18 the first time

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I visited and I know now dead so he had

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he indicated to members of your family

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that he was terrified by this I mean or

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was it or did you do you think the the

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creature had something directly to do

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with his his death I mean other than the

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sighting you know like mind control or

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right right what he did feel that he

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felt that the creature was trying to get

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in his head he said he was afraid to

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sleep because he was entering his dreams

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he felt like the creature was trying to

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take his soul my father wrote poetry and

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his poetry was published after his death

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and quite a number of the poetry alluded

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to this talked about the bird that flies

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is false the only clue that we knew it

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to be real is when we actually got

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collaboration because when the maid

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stumbled in on this she ran out

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immediately my mother walked in and she

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walked in on it as it was trying to go

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through the window and it was

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translucent and this to me alludes that

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the creature is multi-dimensional it's

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not flesh and blood because it was in

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fact trying to go through the window and

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it partially succeeded and my mother ran

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towards the other side of the wall grab

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across and this is where the controversy

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enters because if this was Mothman it

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wouldn't have done anything to it she

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took the cross started praying loudly

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and she approached it and the creature

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folded up it took one wing and covered

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itself as if it was like a vampire

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and it started to effervesce out the

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window and into a mist so you tell me

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what that is yeah

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now how many how many years ago would

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this have been oh this is ancient this

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is like 1962 yeah

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and that's how it started that's how my

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fascination started that's how I started

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looking at things in a different way now

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have you ever had any dreams or

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sightings of this creature I not this

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creature in particular I have had dreams

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as I grew up I've also had sightings of

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other ghosts because right after he

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passed my father passed away we moved

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back into my grandmother's house and as

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I've mentioned before this was actually

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a graveyard of sorts the grounds was

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never blessed they were never recognized

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as being there the houses were built

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right after World War two there was a

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lot of building that was going on a lot

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of rebuilding and my grandfather built a

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house right on that soil the sightings

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that I saw had to do with emaciated

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Japanese soldiers Wow that were gone you

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could hear them running down the

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driveway sometimes they would wear these

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slippers

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they're kind of like cliff flops too

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these days and you would hear them jump

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over to gate the gate is physically

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there they would jump over to gate and

365
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the edge of their slipper would actually

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hit it and make a sound we have problems

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keeping servants in the house they came

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in one day couple of weeks later they

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would leave and they were terrified well

370
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I think I would be too and I had some

371
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ghostly encounters growing up but

372
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nothing and nothing quite on that level

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now how many times did they I was going

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to say appear but materialize or or that

375
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they were you know presented themselves

376
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you mean at my grandmother's house yes

377
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well I would say that they appeared to

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everyone probably the only one person

379
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they didn't appear to was my grandfather

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for some reason he was a medical doctor

381
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he was very scientific he didn't let it

382
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no settings that explains it blows up we

383
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used to have something we called

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mumbo-jumbo we was jet black and it was

385
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so gone you could tell it starved it

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would sit all the way in the backyard

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with its glowing red eyes and one of the

388
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servants would come out there to feed

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the cats and they'd start shivering for

390
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no accountable reason you gotta remember

391
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this is a tropical climate yeah what was

392
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it was this the cat shivering oh that

393
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you serve it no the servant I'm sorry oh

394
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okay well probably the cat too I would

395
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guess right yeah well it's interesting

396
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that you say that because um you know we

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we've had incidences and it's it's

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absolutely pretty gruesome you know we

399
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have cats there they're feral cats for

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the most part they we probably had about

401
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a dozen at one point in time but they

402
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obviously died no what what did you call

403
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this being again mumbo jumbo mumbo jumbo

404
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mumbo jumbo was the nickname

405
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I mean you got to make light of some of

406
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these things because you know they can

407
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get pretty intense different parts of

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the house you saw different things at

409
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the edge of your view you would see

410
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something past and it was like a shadow

411
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man on the second floor my grandfather

412
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had a laboratory and I talked about this

413
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in the book all this stuff I'm talking

414
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about tonight I talked about in the

415
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Baucus this will be the book that you'll

416
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have out in the next year Concordia

417
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December yeah he had a lab and way back

418
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then because he was a medical doctor and

419
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he had seen action he was in a mass unit

420
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they were also taught how to make

421
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pharmaceuticals simple stuff like cough

422
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syrup etc etc so that when they were in

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the field and someone got sick you know

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they could be addressed immediately so

425
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in this lab he would create and concoct

426
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different types of things you know my my

427
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mother had five other siblings all

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living in the house at the time most of

429
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them were children during the war so

430
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after that my grandfather had

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established a lab on the second floor

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and in that lab one day we found a

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full-grown fetus in a jar ooh

434
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I mean dad how did it get there okay so

435
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we have some very bizarre and I don't

436
00:23:09,540 --> 00:23:06,280
know how much you know about the

437
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Philippine culture or 99.9 percent Roman

438
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Catholics at that time it was acceptable

439
00:23:21,660 --> 00:23:19,390
for families to be pretty large and and

440
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this will give you an idea why I'm

441
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writing under a pen name because there

442
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are people who are still alive yeah to

443
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:29,320
this day that were members of this

444
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:34,000
household oh okay this is this is mumbo

445
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jumbo coming it

446
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so we'll be we'll be back right after

447
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this little very exciting show and I'm

448
00:23:50,639 --> 00:23:47,200
very exciting that guest now back to

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explore in the bazaar with two of the

450
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most undefined researchers in the

451
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carrier your host Timothy Becca Lee and

452
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King Swartz welcome back and tonight we

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are traveling on the paths that others

454
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fear to tread and we want to bring

455
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Michael Huntington into the conversation

456
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but first I need you to finish this

457
00:24:24,509 --> 00:24:21,970
story the story about the the Petersons

458
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in in the jar so I'm going to be this in

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the jar if you can finish this and then

460
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we'll bring out my gift to the

461
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congressman okay I will try to make this

462
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as brief as possible the house that my

463
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grandmother and grandfather had built

464
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was built about a few months after the

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war had ended in the Philippines world

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war ii says probably about 1946-47

467
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and what they did was they built it to

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accommodate every child they had they

469
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had six children so he had six bedrooms

470
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eventually what he decided was he was

471
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going to dedicate one of those bedrooms

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into a laboratory at the time when he

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actually had it built they were only

474
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planning on poor kids but then my

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grandmother decided hey you know let's

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make room so actually the lab was never

477
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really a bedroom it was it was a

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laboratory one of the things that was

479
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acceptable back then was to have a huge

480
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family but in this case yeah I'm trying

481
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to finish as quickly as I can

482
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it didn't happen that way an abortion

483
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was against the rules etc etc the person

484
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who discovered the fetus in the jar was

485
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one of the servants okay and what

486
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happened then is that she ran out told

487
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my grandmother

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who seem to know about it and I will

489
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leave it that it was something that was

490
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intentionally put there about a week

491
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later my grandfather came into the lab

492
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took the jar out and then explained to

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anyone where it went so mysteriously it

494
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disappeared to this day no one knows

495
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what happened to it whether it was ever

496
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buried whether it was taken he was

497
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affiliated with a hospital whether it

498
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was taken to the hospital what do I mean

499
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do you think that I mean he brought it

500
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into the house originally your

501
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grandfather I believe he did and it is

502
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definitely human a couple of the

503
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children who were now adults had seen it

504
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including my mother my grandmother

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disclosed

506
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actually before I emigrated to the US

507
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that that was a source of a hex in the

508
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family the fact that there was an

509
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unblessed and unburied infant in the

510
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family well I mean not only did that

511
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house have going for it that it was

512
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built on top of a mass probably a mass

513
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grave of Japanese soldiers but then you

514
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have then you have a fetus in the jar

515
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then buried I'm a buried infant so that

516
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yeah that had been a fun place to grow

517
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up in it was definitely very different I

518
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:30,640
will tell you when things like that

519
00:27:36,270 --> 00:27:33,010
happened repeatedly it stresses people

520
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out and as you know when there's unquiet

521
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well speaking of unquiet beans

522
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let's bring Michael hunted into the

523
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conversation nice leg way well Michael

524
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I'm glad that you could join us tonight

525
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and no way now and Tim Beckley I he was

526
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wanting to know you know considering

527
00:28:13,030 --> 00:28:09,559
that Anna's father's experience with the

528
00:28:18,370 --> 00:28:13,040
Mothman Tim was asking if you had you

529
00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:18,380
been to Point Pleasant correct yeah me

530
00:28:24,250 --> 00:28:20,750
and the the wife and the kids we went to

531
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the the Mothman festival that they that

532
00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:25,940
they hold their each year we went to the

533
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the 50th anniversary last September and

534
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visited all the encounter spots and went

535
00:28:40,780 --> 00:28:36,740
out to be the TNT area and looked around

536
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:40,790
there got to to hear some lectures from

537
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,250
you know some famous cryptozoologist so

538
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:44,960
that was that that was a unique

539
00:28:50,919 --> 00:28:48,710
experience in Mothman definitely I think

540
00:28:55,270 --> 00:28:50,929
is you know at the top of the the

541
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cryptid heat there so to speak even to

542
00:28:59,020 --> 00:28:56,960
this day you know half a century later

543
00:29:03,130 --> 00:28:59,030
people are still talking about it you

544
00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:03,140
know even in Chicago you know how does

545
00:29:10,270 --> 00:29:06,580
it got that wave going on which is

546
00:29:13,660 --> 00:29:10,280
really unusual there's just so many

547
00:29:16,510 --> 00:29:13,670
accounts so many ports you know that

548
00:29:18,180 --> 00:29:16,520
that you have to consider that something

549
00:29:20,740 --> 00:29:18,190
is flying around whether it's an owl or

550
00:29:22,750 --> 00:29:20,750
or somebody's got some sort of weird

551
00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:22,760
drone or if there's some sort of you

552
00:29:29,860 --> 00:29:27,400
know being or a creature you know that

553
00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:29,870
you know it's from another dimension and

554
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:33,140
as an arc is a harbinger of doom only

555
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:35,570
ones consideration that we were in

556
00:29:43,870 --> 00:29:40,250
Chicago a couple weeks ago and we hung

557
00:29:45,490 --> 00:29:43,880
in the area downtown where where most of

558
00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:45,500
the sightings are they're actually

559
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:48,230
pretty much all around millennium park

560
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:51,530
up there and yeah there's that there's a

561
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:54,650
lot of birds and herons and all sorts of

562
00:29:58,780 --> 00:29:56,450
things flying around there in the leg

563
00:30:01,180 --> 00:29:58,790
but what well now you know I I haven't

564
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:01,190
really felt I mean I know about the the

565
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:02,510
sightings but I haven't followed them

566
00:30:11,470 --> 00:30:06,530
that closely have any of the has any of

567
00:30:15,370 --> 00:30:11,480
the media in Chicago or vicinity covered

568
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:15,380
sub slap uh well I get a lot of my

569
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:17,450
updates from like LAN strict strict

570
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:20,720
origin of course a lot yeah and he

571
00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:24,170
pretty much has conveyed a lot of the

572
00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:26,270
information there and it's collected a

573
00:30:32,050 --> 00:30:29,750
lot of the reports but yeah from from

574
00:30:34,090 --> 00:30:32,060
where not from what I've seen it looks

575
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:34,100
like Chicago media is kind of all over

576
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:37,250
it you know that it's a human interest

577
00:30:42,820 --> 00:30:40,130
story and it's kind of you know they

578
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,830
take those things with the sort of

579
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,200
tongue-in-cheek attitude and it ends up

580
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:46,640
at you know at the end of the program

581
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:49,130
but people are seeing stuff and people

582
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:50,570
are talking about it up there and I

583
00:30:56,290 --> 00:30:53,810
think it's interesting that you know is

584
00:30:59,050 --> 00:30:56,300
so far removed from the original

585
00:31:01,780 --> 00:30:59,060
sightings that you know it's still

586
00:31:03,970 --> 00:31:01,790
flying around I guess or at least the

587
00:31:08,380 --> 00:31:03,980
imagination of it is you know well you

588
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:08,390
know I was watching a program I guess it

589
00:31:12,670 --> 00:31:10,730
was originally broadcast on the Sci Fi

590
00:31:15,910 --> 00:31:12,680
Channel but I was watching it on YouTube

591
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:15,920
yesterday kind of by accident actually I

592
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:18,080
was dozing off in it it went on to the

593
00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:20,330
next program you know I was think I was

594
00:31:24,010 --> 00:31:22,670
watching something about missing for 1-1

595
00:31:26,590 --> 00:31:24,020
and then while I know is that they were

596
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:26,600
talking about Mothman and they had some

597
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:29,200
you know follow-on from the skeptics

598
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:32,450
magazine and he was saying about how

599
00:31:40,660 --> 00:31:35,710
Mothman was nothing more than an Al

600
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:40,670
because al the eyes of owls apparently

601
00:31:46,990 --> 00:31:44,450
do glow at at night but he's he's

602
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:47,000
sitting there next to a I guess a

603
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:50,960
stuffed owl you know and I can't see how

604
00:32:00,250 --> 00:31:54,130
anybody would think that this little

605
00:32:04,780 --> 00:32:00,260
creature of the night could be something

606
00:32:07,810 --> 00:32:04,790
as large and dynamic and perhaps demonic

607
00:32:09,850 --> 00:32:07,820
as as Mothman I mean Mothman was

608
00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:09,860
described as being about ten feet tall

609
00:32:18,130 --> 00:32:12,590
and this little cute little cuddly al

610
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:18,140
was said it being ten feet old maybe two

611
00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:19,970
feet tall I don't know I mean but it was

612
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:23,030
here it was not it was not a giant I

613
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:24,890
certainly would not have

614
00:32:29,290 --> 00:32:27,170
I thought that it was a giant dead bird

615
00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:29,300
and also today here's here's the kicker

616
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:31,460
that I do believe that some of the early

617
00:32:35,140 --> 00:32:32,930
witnesses heard the flapping of the

618
00:32:37,540 --> 00:32:35,150
wings I do believe that there would be a

619
00:32:40,060 --> 00:32:37,550
big discrepancy or difference between

620
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:40,070
the sound of a creature flapping its

621
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:42,710
wings that's ten feet tall as opposed to

622
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:48,080
a little owl yeah and I think there is a

623
00:32:52,420 --> 00:32:49,850
difference between the you know the ant

624
00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:52,430
be encounters and in West Virginia back

625
00:32:57,070 --> 00:32:55,190
then because they a lot of them were you

626
00:33:00,610 --> 00:32:57,080
know close to the ground and they can

627
00:33:02,890 --> 00:33:00,620
measure height you know compared to the

628
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:02,900
tree that it's next to or whatnot but uh

629
00:33:06,820 --> 00:33:05,090
I think most of the Chicago stuff is

630
00:33:12,010 --> 00:33:06,830
pretty much just things flying around in

631
00:33:13,510 --> 00:33:12,020
the sky you know and so it's hard to I

632
00:33:15,940 --> 00:33:13,520
don't know if anybody's reported

633
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,950
anything like ten feet tall or whatever

634
00:33:20,530 --> 00:33:18,080
I think most of the accounts up there

635
00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:20,540
have been you know something big is

636
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:22,760
flying around well if it's not ten feet

637
00:33:28,510 --> 00:33:26,510
tall on that interest went out there

638
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:28,520
what there was a report that I saw just

639
00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:32,210
earlier this week that took place where

640
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:35,630
the creature actually flew down and was

641
00:33:40,210 --> 00:33:38,480
almost an eye level with the witnesses

642
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:40,220
you know but probably no more than you

643
00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:42,710
know five feet away and once again you

644
00:33:46,090 --> 00:33:43,940
know like you said to him I mean you

645
00:33:48,130 --> 00:33:46,100
can't mistake something like that you

646
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:48,140
know for for a great you know great blue

647
00:33:53,980 --> 00:33:51,010
heron or an hour or something because

648
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:53,990
something similar they they knew what

649
00:33:58,090 --> 00:33:56,090
they were seeing and it was definitely

650
00:34:00,460 --> 00:33:58,100
something unusual boy I tell you I'm

651
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:00,470
just talking about this kid might got my

652
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:04,910
bladder going I swear that's a good way

653
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,110
to put it oh boy I'm awesome when one

654
00:34:14,770 --> 00:34:11,919
man stay away from my door that's all

655
00:34:17,470 --> 00:34:14,780
why and I should I should say also you

656
00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:17,480
know I have seen owls at night you know

657
00:34:23,230 --> 00:34:19,250
they're they've you know flown in front

658
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:23,240
of my car and stuff and anybody you know

659
00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:25,310
especially say like the people in Point

660
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:27,260
Pleasant you know they knew the

661
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:29,810
difference between an owl and whatever

662
00:34:35,409 --> 00:34:32,690
this thing was you know as for the

663
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:35,419
people in Chicago you know I mean

664
00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:37,450
possibly you know

665
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:38,980
somebody who lives in City all their

666
00:34:43,169 --> 00:34:41,679
life you know mean I know yeah yeah you

667
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:43,179
know you know say they see something

668
00:34:47,819 --> 00:34:45,970
like a women with the the crime

669
00:34:49,019 --> 00:34:47,829
situation the way it is Chicago I'm

670
00:34:54,799 --> 00:34:49,029
surprised somebody hasn't brought it

671
00:35:01,279 --> 00:34:58,380
if you do I come on goin oh no harassing

672
00:35:03,630 --> 00:35:01,289
phone calls from Chicago I'm only know

673
00:35:05,759 --> 00:35:03,640
what happens if you kill them off man

674
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:05,769
though you know is that like double bad

675
00:35:12,660 --> 00:35:10,690
you know what I'm she'll go ahead good

676
00:35:15,690 --> 00:35:12,670
no I was just going to say is is it a

677
00:35:21,539 --> 00:35:15,700
crime to it to shoot it Mothman even

678
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:21,549
night yeah we've got to make a list of

679
00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:24,190
cryptic riptides that you could you know

680
00:35:28,289 --> 00:35:25,960
take down and it's fine and I guess a

681
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:28,299
Bigfoot is in its own the category and

682
00:35:35,849 --> 00:35:31,450
you got to kind of leave him alone I bet

683
00:35:38,910 --> 00:35:35,859
so now Michael is that what if your your

684
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:38,920
interest when you travel or the creature

685
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:42,400
different beings and creatures and out

686
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:46,480
of these well Tim I'm sort of in

687
00:35:52,380 --> 00:35:50,049
anything yeah you know anything that is

688
00:35:54,450 --> 00:35:52,390
between point a and point B and

689
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:54,460
everything at point a and point B

690
00:35:59,599 --> 00:35:56,650
whether it's you know monsters or ghosts

691
00:36:03,749 --> 00:35:59,609
or aliens or you know anything anything

692
00:36:06,089 --> 00:36:03,759
interesting you know I'm I'm I got my my

693
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:06,099
feet dipped into it but I was just you

694
00:36:13,319 --> 00:36:10,210
got your ID Tana up haha yes okay so

695
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:13,329
have you have you it come across in your

696
00:36:18,059 --> 00:36:15,250
travels I guess you haven't come across

697
00:36:21,450 --> 00:36:18,069
personally but have you been to other

698
00:36:26,759 --> 00:36:21,460
the spots where creatures have been

699
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:26,769
noted yeah I've been to a few Bigfoot

700
00:36:34,499 --> 00:36:29,529
locations through where were they what

701
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:34,509
were they I probably the one that I but

702
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:36,490
sort of looked into the most was the

703
00:36:43,289 --> 00:36:39,970
Murphysboro mud monster in southern

704
00:36:45,809 --> 00:36:43,299
Illinois I will take I am I give me a

705
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:45,819
little rundown on that okay Murphysboro

706
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:49,089
if one oi is a little town just outside

707
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:50,090
of car today

708
00:37:00,780 --> 00:36:54,880
and in southern central Illinois and in

709
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:00,790
1973 in in the Riverside Park area

710
00:37:07,810 --> 00:37:03,850
people started encountering a a

711
00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:07,820
bigfoot-type creature you know a bird

712
00:37:15,070 --> 00:37:11,150
large size you know let the Norma's

713
00:37:19,630 --> 00:37:15,080
footprints but this creature was white

714
00:37:24,190 --> 00:37:19,640
it was possibly an albino it had like

715
00:37:27,340 --> 00:37:24,200
pinkish orange eyes and it had white fur

716
00:37:29,710 --> 00:37:27,350
it was muddy though you know so it's

717
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:29,720
also called the mud monster the river

718
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:32,810
they close by there where where it was

719
00:37:37,780 --> 00:37:35,450
seen is called the Big Muddy so it's

720
00:37:40,450 --> 00:37:37,790
also called the Big Muddy monster well I

721
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:40,460
had never you should never have a white

722
00:37:45,970 --> 00:37:43,450
couch and never have a muddy mud stir

723
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:45,980
gently that or certainly not to two of

724
00:37:51,340 --> 00:37:49,250
them together I would guess it right you

725
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,350
can sort of imagine the appearance of

726
00:37:55,450 --> 00:37:52,960
the fur you know like a like a big

727
00:37:57,940 --> 00:37:55,460
Shetland dog or something all muddy you

728
00:38:00,700 --> 00:37:57,950
know tracking through your garden so

729
00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:00,710
that that's what people were seeing are

730
00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:05,750
dozens of encounters in that area and it

731
00:38:11,310 --> 00:38:08,270
was one of the I think one of the cases

732
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:11,320
that was investigated by a Loren Coleman

733
00:38:18,220 --> 00:38:16,400
like uh who is from central south

734
00:38:22,330 --> 00:38:18,230
central Illinois so it's one of his

735
00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:22,340
cases that he first investigated so I've

736
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:25,270
been out of there afflicted at the spots

737
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:28,610
I make it back there once a year now

738
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:31,670
because they actually Murphysboro has a

739
00:38:38,860 --> 00:38:37,130
a big muddy festival uh but that doesn't

740
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:38,870
does it have that does it have a local

741
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:41,570
beer named after it yes it's a bigger

742
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:44,210
costly I know that every monster if

743
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:47,450
you're a monster of any repute you gotta

744
00:38:54,130 --> 00:38:51,650
have a local beer exactly yeah mr.

745
00:38:56,410 --> 00:38:54,140
Carbondale the next the next party that

746
00:39:01,240 --> 00:38:56,420
I have I'm only going to serve monster

747
00:39:02,890 --> 00:39:01,250
beer it's a pretty decent beer and you

748
00:39:03,790 --> 00:39:02,900
know they're just starting to get into

749
00:39:05,740 --> 00:39:03,800
the crib that ass

750
00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:05,750
back but they definitely it's all held

751
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:07,790
right you know where the first encounter

752
00:39:12,420 --> 00:39:10,190
was which is kind of interesting so I

753
00:39:16,330 --> 00:39:12,430
make it over there to look around but

754
00:39:19,410 --> 00:39:16,340
yeah pretty much a lot of the encrypted

755
00:39:22,420 --> 00:39:19,420
stuff that Loren Coleman

756
00:39:26,650 --> 00:39:22,430
research back in the 70s I've sort of

757
00:39:28,930 --> 00:39:26,660
gone back and you know looked at looked

758
00:39:31,690 --> 00:39:28,940
at some of the same places sometimes

759
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:31,700
I'll send him photos you know I talked

760
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:34,370
to him online and I just you know I yeah

761
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:36,170
I'll send him photos because you know I

762
00:39:39,850 --> 00:39:38,210
have to do to update it you know this is

763
00:39:42,070 --> 00:39:39,860
where a location was or this where

764
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,080
sighting was or whatever and you know he

765
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,720
he sort of helps out in confirming some

766
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:46,640
of my locations you know because if

767
00:39:52,420 --> 00:39:49,730
things change after you know 40 40 years

768
00:39:54,190 --> 00:39:52,430
or whatever but what was the latest

769
00:39:59,590 --> 00:39:54,200
night what was the latest sighting of

770
00:40:05,440 --> 00:39:59,600
the muddy monster I think the last

771
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:05,450
sighting was was in 86 I the the

772
00:40:10,270 --> 00:40:07,850
creature attacks some people at a like a

773
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:10,280
auto salvage yard

774
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:14,450
but people continue to see bigfoot-type

775
00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:18,170
creatures you know in in southern

776
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:20,920
Illinois you can go on to you know like

777
00:40:28,570 --> 00:40:26,510
VFR owes bigfoot locating a tracking a

778
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:28,580
map system there and you can see where

779
00:40:34,450 --> 00:40:31,040
where people are saying things there's a

780
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:34,460
lot of wooded area in around where I'm

781
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,730
at but yeah people see all kinds of

782
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:39,920
things you know around here flying

783
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:43,010
creatures and you know weird monsters

784
00:40:48,370 --> 00:40:45,370
and you know things in the river

785
00:40:53,110 --> 00:40:48,380
Mississippi River you know so a pretty

786
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:53,120
busy area well you know my up my friend

787
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,010
and associate the fellow who helps us up

788
00:41:01,300 --> 00:40:57,680
get all this up on YouTube Peter Bernard

789
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:01,310
has written about dog man you have you

790
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:05,680
come across dog man in your travels well

791
00:41:11,050 --> 00:41:08,570
when I go to like cryptid conferences or

792
00:41:14,980 --> 00:41:11,060
whatever dog man seems to be you know

793
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:14,990
sort of the popular you know move for a

794
00:41:19,989 --> 00:41:17,839
lot of the big Bigfoot researchers

795
00:41:23,469 --> 00:41:19,999
because it basically is you know like a

796
00:41:25,569 --> 00:41:23,479
werewolf yeah well he's just kind of

797
00:41:29,229 --> 00:41:25,579
kind of moved into the neighborhood I

798
00:41:31,029 --> 00:41:29,239
guess right so you know the sightings

799
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:31,039
are sort of similar to Bigfoot and

800
00:41:35,620 --> 00:41:33,170
there's tracks left you know but people

801
00:41:39,759 --> 00:41:35,630
are seeing werewolves which that would

802
00:41:44,650 --> 00:41:39,769
just scare the heck out of me I have

803
00:41:46,779 --> 00:41:44,660
been to some of the Dogman locations in

804
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:46,789
Kentucky there's an area called Land

805
00:41:53,979 --> 00:41:51,170
Between the Lakes which is a forested

806
00:41:57,309 --> 00:41:53,989
reserve area and there was a creature

807
00:41:59,769 --> 00:41:57,319
seen back in the 70s and the 80s and

808
00:42:03,969 --> 00:41:59,779
reportedly you know here and there since

809
00:42:05,439 --> 00:42:03,979
then of a dog man type creature or some

810
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:05,449
sort of werewolf you know there's even

811
00:42:10,979 --> 00:42:08,689
urban legends of you know entire

812
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:10,989
families getting eaten you know oh

813
00:42:16,349 --> 00:42:13,249
nothing found but you know bloody

814
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:16,359
clothes and animals getting attacked and

815
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:19,369
you know just torn apart by some sort of

816
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:22,729
werewolf type creature but I don't know

817
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:25,630
not really had ever somehow that somehow

818
00:42:32,169 --> 00:42:30,319
experiences this I like to go into the

819
00:42:33,579 --> 00:42:32,179
woods you know but I don't know if I

820
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:33,589
want to go hunting a werewolf at

821
00:42:36,910 --> 00:42:35,209
nighttime you know it's not it's not

822
00:42:38,979 --> 00:42:36,920
like bigfooting it seems to be a little

823
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:38,989
more you know I don't know

824
00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:43,130
environmentally friendly werewolf I

825
00:42:47,709 --> 00:42:44,900
would I wonder if the two of them are

826
00:42:51,669 --> 00:42:47,719
ever seen like you know what to say at

827
00:42:55,630 --> 00:42:51,679
the same time no that's a question

828
00:43:00,459 --> 00:42:55,640
uh-huh I I would think so you know well

829
00:43:03,069 --> 00:43:00,469
you know Godzilla Godzilla and Mothra

830
00:43:05,130 --> 00:43:03,079
had nothing on those guys I swear that

831
00:43:07,989 --> 00:43:05,140
we we've got to update this and do a

832
00:43:10,689 --> 00:43:07,999
movie it with dog men and bigfooters so

833
00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:10,699
there you go thank God oh yeah I like my

834
00:43:13,809 --> 00:43:11,150
buddy

835
00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:13,819
I like the muddy monster myself yeah

836
00:43:19,329 --> 00:43:16,660
they have to fight that would be a yeah

837
00:43:21,249 --> 00:43:19,339
well as long as long as he takes his

838
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:21,259
shoes off before coming into the house

839
00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:30,970
that's not the the Murphy's borough and

840
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:33,350
central Illinois I mean it was also a

841
00:43:40,540 --> 00:43:35,930
hotbed of activity for like Thunderbird

842
00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:40,550
sightings as well there was that and I

843
00:43:44,770 --> 00:43:42,590
can't remember what community it was in

844
00:43:47,950 --> 00:43:44,780
but you know there was the one case

845
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:47,960
where the little boy was almost taken

846
00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:51,530
away when the Thunderbird scooped down

847
00:43:55,630 --> 00:43:54,140
and grabbed his shoulders and if it

848
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:55,640
wasn't for his mom I think you know

849
00:44:00,609 --> 00:43:59,119
hitting it with a stick or something it

850
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:00,619
would have been able to disappeared and

851
00:44:05,530 --> 00:44:03,680
that definitely wasn't an owl yes I

852
00:44:08,590 --> 00:44:05,540
can't remember that case I think it was

853
00:44:11,350 --> 00:44:08,600
like around Mount Vernon again like back

854
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,360
in the 70s because it seems like you

855
00:44:16,090 --> 00:44:13,520
know like all the good monster stories

856
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:16,100
come from you know like 1973 for some

857
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:18,710
reason you not and it's very interesting

858
00:44:26,890 --> 00:44:21,650
but better the Thunderbird stuff

859
00:44:31,660 --> 00:44:26,900
definitely is part of the native culture

860
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:31,670
in Illinois and I take the the bullet is

861
00:44:35,170 --> 00:44:33,650
too you know a lot of museums and we

862
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:35,180
also visit you know like native heritage

863
00:44:42,849 --> 00:44:39,650
spots and everywhere we go there is the

864
00:44:45,310 --> 00:44:42,859
Thunderbird motif you know the the some

865
00:44:48,010 --> 00:44:45,320
sort of giant flying creature you know

866
00:44:50,050 --> 00:44:48,020
it was part of at least part of the

867
00:44:51,970 --> 00:44:50,060
ceremonial ritual aspect of these

868
00:44:53,260 --> 00:44:51,980
communities you know whether or not it

869
00:44:59,050 --> 00:44:53,270
was you know some sort of tangible

870
00:45:02,200 --> 00:44:59,060
creature legend holds that it was you go

871
00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:02,210
to Alton Illinois another place that we

872
00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:04,790
visited recently and on the side of a

873
00:45:12,130 --> 00:45:08,500
cliff is a re-creation of a giant bird

874
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:12,140
monster you know more like a like a

875
00:45:17,380 --> 00:45:15,440
classic Griffon you know from like Greek

876
00:45:22,750 --> 00:45:17,390
mythology like a maybe a Manticore or

877
00:45:25,420 --> 00:45:22,760
something like that and the Indian

878
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,430
legend of their of the Cahokia Indians

879
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:27,920
famous for the Cahokia Mounds which is a

880
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:31,609
you know a World Heritage Site uh tells

881
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:34,730
of some sort of giant being called the

882
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,960
I think local Indians had to you know

883
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:47,280
had tried to fight it and get it out of

884
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:52,710
the caves near Alton which is write

885
00:45:57,770 --> 00:45:55,260
directly on the the Mississippi River a

886
00:46:02,810 --> 00:45:57,780
little bit just north on the Illinois

887
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:02,820
side st. Louis and they tried getting

888
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:06,000
this creature so that the chief whose

889
00:46:10,610 --> 00:46:08,130
name I can't remember just just right

890
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:10,620
now but he devised the plan where he

891
00:46:15,380 --> 00:46:13,020
would use himself as bait to lure the

892
00:46:17,330 --> 00:46:15,390
you know the pie saw bird out of the

893
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:17,340
cave that was living in so that his

894
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:19,500
soldiers his warriors could attack it

895
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:22,710
and supposedly it was a vanquish you

896
00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:26,460
know because the preacher fell for the

897
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:31,380
trap but there were real drawings on

898
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:35,640
these cliffs Jo giant drawings of these

899
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:36,810
giant Birds

900
00:46:43,070 --> 00:46:39,110
therefore manticores or some sort of

901
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:43,080
flying wing had monster that was

902
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:45,090
definitely a part of the culture and you

903
00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:47,130
go anywhere around here you're going to

904
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:49,710
see some sort of giant bird monkeys yeah

905
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:51,780
it is it is funny though you know I mean

906
00:46:56,540 --> 00:46:53,730
here you have these old Native American

907
00:46:58,330 --> 00:46:56,550
legends of these flying creatures and

908
00:47:01,280 --> 00:46:58,340
then like you said and especially in the

909
00:47:03,980 --> 00:47:01,290
1970s you know there was this like this

910
00:47:05,450 --> 00:47:03,990
explosion of giant bird sightings almost

911
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:05,460
in the same areas you know I don't know

912
00:47:12,620 --> 00:47:10,380
and UFOs and UFOs that right yes yes is

913
00:47:14,330 --> 00:47:12,630
it ancestors code not ancestors

914
00:47:18,190 --> 00:47:14,340
descendants coming back to find out who

915
00:47:21,290 --> 00:47:18,200
killed grandpa look what we have to go

916
00:47:23,180 --> 00:47:21,300
to our bottom of the hour top of the

917
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:23,190
hour break oh my gosh time is flying to

918
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,000
him so let's let's do our break and come

919
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:30,240
back we will continue art Bravo episode

920
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:32,250
well excuse it coming they're coming by

921
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:35,370
with some more peanuts and some more

922
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:37,890
champagne so let's have a little break

923
00:47:43,050 --> 00:47:47,420
[Music]

924
00:47:55,849 --> 00:47:52,430
explore resolve your e-ticket ride is

925
00:47:59,239 --> 00:47:55,859
the world of a paranoid strap yourself

926
00:48:05,079 --> 00:47:59,249
in as we traverse the universe exploring

927
00:48:07,460 --> 00:48:05,089
the unexplained UFO s ghosts lost well

928
00:48:11,299 --> 00:48:07,470
cryptozoology ones as well as other

929
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:11,309
dimensions it's time to take back the

930
00:48:18,980 --> 00:48:15,690
NASA night now you are electrifying

931
00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:18,990
hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

932
00:48:25,789 --> 00:48:24,329
Begley and Tim Schwartz I just tried to

933
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:25,799
make it down the aisle there I had to

934
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:28,890
use the restroom in the back to the

935
00:48:33,230 --> 00:48:31,319
coach part of the plane and I tell you

936
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:33,240
there there's all kinds of fights and

937
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:34,710
stuff going on back there

938
00:48:40,329 --> 00:48:36,420
I could hardly make it back up to my

939
00:48:43,249 --> 00:48:40,339
first-class seat here in the this big

940
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:43,259
747 which strangely enough looks like a

941
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:45,690
mothership I hope it's going to the

942
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:49,140
right destination well I mean we've got

943
00:48:52,789 --> 00:48:50,609
the best seats Tim we're right we're

944
00:48:56,839 --> 00:48:52,799
right up here in the very top level of

945
00:49:01,130 --> 00:48:56,849
the 747 I mean there's the bar and you

946
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:01,140
know the alcohol is free flowing and you

947
00:49:05,299 --> 00:49:02,640
know it just it just makes for a

948
00:49:08,059 --> 00:49:05,309
wonderful flight well it's it's a lot

949
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:08,069
it's a long flight so what is it we're

950
00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:11,970
going to be continued on with the second

951
00:49:17,329 --> 00:49:15,660
part of the of the flight here well yeah

952
00:49:20,089 --> 00:49:17,339
what do we what do we bring Anna back

953
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:20,099
into the conversation here because I'm

954
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:25,650
very interested in your bio information

955
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:30,480
and you said that you hope to get some

956
00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:34,049
of your experiences produced for the

957
00:49:42,380 --> 00:49:37,859
screen especially concerning your field

958
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:42,390
investigation for for MUFON and I see

959
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:45,170
you were with them from 2008 through

960
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:49,200
2009 yes there was a very interesting

961
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:50,940
experience because I got to tell you

962
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,569
timing is everything a friend of my

963
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:56,880
husband's had actually talked to me

964
00:50:00,440 --> 00:49:58,440
about MUFON because he was an

965
00:50:02,030 --> 00:50:00,450
investigator in training at the time and

966
00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:02,040
said hey all you got to do is buy this

967
00:50:08,510 --> 00:50:04,980
book study this book from cover to cover

968
00:50:11,150 --> 00:50:08,520
and that's the manual and you know call

969
00:50:13,339 --> 00:50:11,160
them for this test so I did that took

970
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:13,349
the test passed the test and lo and

971
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:16,290
behold it was April of 2008 and that's

972
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,280
when the Bucks County flap started so I

973
00:50:25,819 --> 00:50:23,040
was immediately getting assigned cases

974
00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:25,829
you know it don't but look Bucks County

975
00:50:31,490 --> 00:50:28,470
being in Bucks County in Pennsylvania

976
00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:31,500
I'm sorry I just yeah I keep forgetting

977
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,230
where you were so over here in

978
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:36,240
Pennsylvania in the very south eastern

979
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:39,450
corner we had a lot of activity that

980
00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:41,700
increased by seven hundred percent and

981
00:50:50,060 --> 00:50:46,200
we're talking from April 2008 all the

982
00:50:53,630 --> 00:50:50,070
way into November of the same year Wow

983
00:50:55,790 --> 00:50:53,640
during that time it was basically the

984
00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:55,800
director who was assigning cases and

985
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,020
that's you know John venturi and then it

986
00:51:03,339 --> 00:51:00,720
was me and another gentleman he had a

987
00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:03,349
larger territory because I was actually

988
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:06,329
not well versed in driving burn driving

989
00:51:12,140 --> 00:51:08,810
is not one of my strengths but

990
00:51:14,059 --> 00:51:12,150
interviewing was so the other gentleman

991
00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:14,069
would get on the ground and actually

992
00:51:18,980 --> 00:51:17,400
take samples things of that nature and I

993
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:18,990
was the person who would make first

994
00:51:25,730 --> 00:51:20,730
contact and I would do the all the

995
00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:25,740
interviews throughout that flap and you

996
00:51:29,540 --> 00:51:27,480
know how things are when you're

997
00:51:31,849 --> 00:51:29,550
investigating a lot of times people will

998
00:51:34,819 --> 00:51:31,859
mistake lights in the sky for something

999
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:34,829
and it's actually the ISS yadda yadda

1000
00:51:42,740 --> 00:51:39,180
yadda but there remains that 20% that

1001
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:42,750
can't be explained I didn't know with

1002
00:51:47,150 --> 00:51:44,730
the limited time we had whether you

1003
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:47,160
wanted my personal sightings or whether

1004
00:51:52,819 --> 00:51:50,250
you wanted me to relate to you so the

1005
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:52,829
things that people have told me well I

1006
00:51:59,359 --> 00:51:56,130
know you know I'm sure we're going to

1007
00:52:02,930 --> 00:51:59,369
have you back on again so tonight let's

1008
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:02,940
hear about your your experiences and

1009
00:52:08,329 --> 00:52:05,700
then you know a couple of months from

1010
00:52:09,470 --> 00:52:08,339
now or whenever you we can get in depth

1011
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:09,480
on some of the things that you've

1012
00:52:14,410 --> 00:52:11,339
actually investigated closer to when

1013
00:52:17,289 --> 00:52:14,420
your book is due to be released

1014
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,299
but yet tell us about some of the other

1015
00:52:23,890 --> 00:52:19,280
experiences that you had have you had

1016
00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:23,900
the UFO encounters yes I have and it's

1017
00:52:27,460 --> 00:52:25,400
interesting that you asked me that

1018
00:52:31,180 --> 00:52:27,470
because that's actually the heart of the

1019
00:52:34,089 --> 00:52:31,190
book I am halfway through the book right

1020
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:34,099
now and I was just getting to that point

1021
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:39,049
which is a pretty big one it started

1022
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:44,450
with an encounter that I had I would say

1023
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:48,650
I was probably about 18 years old at the

1024
00:52:56,349 --> 00:52:52,880
time I was living in Connecticut I was

1025
00:53:01,049 --> 00:52:56,359
in a dormitory I was just about ready to

1026
00:53:05,170 --> 00:53:01,059
graduate from college and I was walking

1027
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,180
the dorm that we had was actually pretty

1028
00:53:12,339 --> 00:53:07,280
remote in comparison to the rest of the

1029
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:12,349
campus so one evening very late I was

1030
00:53:18,579 --> 00:53:16,640
walking back from a party basically and

1031
00:53:20,799 --> 00:53:18,589
it was pretty dark I think it was

1032
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:20,809
probably 1 a.m. or 1:30 in the morning

1033
00:53:31,930 --> 00:53:26,650
and something went out of the cloud and

1034
00:53:35,319 --> 00:53:31,940
whatever it was you could tell was not a

1035
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:35,329
plane and I'll tell you what it is it

1036
00:53:42,819 --> 00:53:39,290
looked like a triangle that was standing

1037
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:42,829
on its side that was sitting on top of

1038
00:53:46,329 --> 00:53:44,569
the base of a triangle and I know it's

1039
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:46,339
kind of hard to visualize if you

1040
00:53:54,849 --> 00:53:49,930
visualize the large triangle I guess

1041
00:53:58,839 --> 00:53:54,859
with a black band running across the

1042
00:54:03,010 --> 00:53:58,849
bottom half of it towards the base it

1043
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:03,020
wasn't moving it came out of a cloud is

1044
00:54:10,359 --> 00:54:04,910
what it looked like to me and it was

1045
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:10,369
just stationary probably over 500 feet

1046
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:15,410
above me it cleared the trees you know a

1047
00:54:19,890 --> 00:54:17,450
plane a helicopter or anything like that

1048
00:54:23,770 --> 00:54:19,900
it had to be moving or it would drop

1049
00:54:27,339 --> 00:54:23,780
this thing was just there I had no idea

1050
00:54:28,310 --> 00:54:27,349
what it was once again it was preceded

1051
00:54:32,090 --> 00:54:28,320
by sight

1052
00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:32,100
it's very eerie because you couldn't

1053
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:33,960
hear anything and when you're walking

1054
00:54:42,590 --> 00:54:39,300
through a pathway towards a building

1055
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:42,600
that is kind of embedded inside a little

1056
00:54:47,710 --> 00:54:45,690
wooded area okay because it's it's very

1057
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:47,720
surreal where I was

1058
00:54:52,550 --> 00:54:50,250
you would hear crickets you would hear

1059
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:52,560
frogs you would you know you would hear

1060
00:54:59,780 --> 00:54:56,700
animals of the night somehow it just got

1061
00:55:04,550 --> 00:54:59,790
very quiet so that my attention was

1062
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:04,560
drawn to this cloud that somehow was

1063
00:55:11,390 --> 00:55:08,150
just up there above me and I paused

1064
00:55:17,330 --> 00:55:11,400
looked at it and there this thing was it

1065
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:17,340
was was almost like it was shimmering so

1066
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:22,170
of course you know I ran I was pretty

1067
00:55:29,930 --> 00:55:26,730
much by myself at the time my roommate I

1068
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:29,940
think was already at the dorm and it

1069
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:34,140
seemed like it was trying to get me to

1070
00:55:40,820 --> 00:55:37,410
stop and when I say that it felt like

1071
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:40,830
though I was running I was running in

1072
00:55:51,950 --> 00:55:48,330
place and I got to the point where I was

1073
00:55:55,370 --> 00:55:51,960
so anxious that I was trying to reach a

1074
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:55,380
lamppost and I extended out my hand and

1075
00:56:03,050 --> 00:55:59,520
willed myself to get closer to the

1076
00:56:05,660 --> 00:56:03,060
lamppost that was down the path and it

1077
00:56:09,620 --> 00:56:05,670
was only by sheer will that I was able

1078
00:56:12,140 --> 00:56:09,630
to reach it and then in my head I kept

1079
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:12,150
thinking get away from me

1080
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:15,810
get away from me and whatever it was

1081
00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:18,420
stopped shimmering and then it kind of

1082
00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:22,140
just disappeared and then I was running

1083
00:56:26,810 --> 00:56:23,790
and then I realized how fast I was

1084
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:26,820
running and then I got to the dorm so

1085
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:32,160
that was the first encounter I had it's

1086
00:56:37,310 --> 00:56:34,970
almost like cows some people describe

1087
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:37,320
when they're trying to run in a dream

1088
00:56:43,050 --> 00:56:40,090
you know it's it's

1089
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:43,060
you just you you read and run and run

1090
00:56:46,530 --> 00:56:44,710
yet you just don't get anywhere it's

1091
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:46,540
almost like you're trying to run through

1092
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:48,970
water through mud or something like that

1093
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:51,040
yeah there's kind of like a desperate

1094
00:56:57,330 --> 00:56:54,250
element to it you feel very much like

1095
00:56:59,370 --> 00:56:57,340
you're being watched is how I would

1096
00:57:02,100 --> 00:56:59,380
describe it which makes it different

1097
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:02,110
from you know whatever is just up there

1098
00:57:06,330 --> 00:57:03,250
that could have been a plane a

1099
00:57:08,910 --> 00:57:06,340
helicopter this had no sound whatsoever

1100
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:08,920
it was incredibly quiet and it's like

1101
00:57:16,740 --> 00:57:12,160
the whole area just got very very quiet

1102
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:16,750
as if I was encased you know in some

1103
00:57:23,340 --> 00:57:21,190
type of field almost well you know Jenny

1104
00:57:27,420 --> 00:57:23,350
Randall I mean she refers to that is the

1105
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:27,430
Oz effect you know where everything is

1106
00:57:32,430 --> 00:57:29,770
it's almost like you feel like that you

1107
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:32,440
just have become separated from the rest

1108
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:35,110
of the world you just by yourself you

1109
00:57:42,540 --> 00:57:38,650
know well you know there's other people

1110
00:57:46,110 --> 00:57:42,550
have described almost the identical type

1111
00:57:48,750 --> 00:57:46,120
of situations as you've described

1112
00:57:50,910 --> 00:57:48,760
especially that where you're they're

1113
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:50,920
trying to get away and they just they

1114
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:54,310
just feel like that something is pulling

1115
00:58:00,930 --> 00:57:56,650
them back almost you know the more that

1116
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:00,940
they try to run away the more resistance

1117
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:05,440
they seem to run into mm-hmm and the

1118
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:07,810
next one I had was several years later

1119
00:58:15,420 --> 00:58:10,410
and I'll tell you I had quite a few I

1120
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:15,430
won't tell you the big one not yet but

1121
00:58:21,690 --> 00:58:16,810
you haven't you have to get the book for

1122
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:21,700
that one it was it was progressing I was

1123
00:58:26,910 --> 00:58:24,250
at the time married okay

1124
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:26,920
I was actually already living here in

1125
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:30,400
Pennsylvania not in this house but the

1126
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:33,490
previous house we had moved in here

1127
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:36,730
about five years ago but I remember very

1128
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:42,160
very vividly one night I was sound and

1129
00:58:48,540 --> 00:58:46,210
I'm a sound sleeper I'm not really prone

1130
00:58:49,980 --> 00:58:48,550
to nightmares or things of that nature I

1131
00:58:54,089 --> 00:58:49,990
fall asleep the next thing you know this

1132
00:58:56,670 --> 00:58:54,099
morning this particular evening

1133
00:58:58,680 --> 00:58:56,680
I had gone to bed a little earlier than

1134
00:59:01,789 --> 00:58:58,690
usual for some reason and I work at a

1135
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:01,799
school I normally go to bed you know

1136
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:04,089
early but this is even earlier I think

1137
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:08,319
it was like 8 o'clock so I fell asleep

1138
00:59:14,729 --> 00:59:11,200
immediately I guess I was exhausted but

1139
00:59:17,999 --> 00:59:14,739
the next thing I knew I was pitch dark

1140
00:59:22,859 --> 00:59:18,009
around me and there was something that

1141
00:59:28,140 --> 00:59:22,869
was standing right next to my bed to my

1142
00:59:28,650 --> 00:59:28,150
right and it wasn't my husband I'm just

1143
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:28,660
joking

1144
00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:31,569
anyway it was standing intently looking

1145
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:36,430
at me I was trying very hard to open my

1146
00:59:40,499 --> 00:59:38,410
eyes obviously because I thought the

1147
00:59:44,430 --> 00:59:40,509
first thing that came to my head was I'm

1148
00:59:46,979 --> 00:59:44,440
having a nightmare but I knew I was

1149
00:59:51,420 --> 00:59:46,989
coming to wakefulness because I remember

1150
00:59:55,499 --> 00:59:51,430
struggling to pull my arm up as if in

1151
00:59:59,099 --> 00:59:55,509
defense because I felt like my throat

1152
01:00:04,589 --> 00:59:59,109
was somehow very vulnerable for some

1153
01:00:10,589 --> 01:00:04,599
reason whatever it was came so close to

1154
01:00:16,739 --> 01:00:10,599
me I felt something like a feather brush

1155
01:00:18,719 --> 01:00:16,749
my neck when I say that it's like when

1156
01:00:21,630 --> 01:00:18,729
when a person comes close to you you

1157
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:21,640
hear their breath you know something it

1158
01:00:30,450 --> 01:00:26,410
was a feather that I felt and whatever

1159
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:30,460
it was was intently examining my throat

1160
01:00:38,759 --> 01:00:35,640
a couple of nights later

1161
01:00:40,620 --> 01:00:38,769
you know I disregarded it woke up went

1162
01:00:43,739 --> 01:00:40,630
about my business didn't tell anybody I

1163
01:00:46,109 --> 01:00:43,749
said ok I must have been asleep surely I

1164
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:46,119
must have been asleep a couple nights

1165
01:00:53,969 --> 01:00:50,559
later the same thing repeated again it

1166
01:00:57,660 --> 01:00:53,979
was so close whatever it was the feather

1167
01:01:00,900 --> 01:00:57,670
was skimming my throat I could not reach

1168
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:00,910
up I could not scream it was almost like

1169
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:05,200
sleep paralysis ok but then finally I

1170
01:01:11,579 --> 01:01:07,569
was able to lose anyone

1171
01:01:17,729 --> 01:01:11,589
and and I must have clenched into a fist

1172
01:01:21,569 --> 01:01:17,739
and I swung up you know to protect my

1173
01:01:25,949 --> 01:01:21,579
neck and once again there's the feather

1174
01:01:33,420 --> 01:01:25,959
and then I opened my eyes and there was

1175
01:01:40,249 --> 01:01:33,430
nothing there so now do you perceive

1176
01:01:44,459 --> 01:01:40,259
this as being a paranormal experience or

1177
01:01:49,170 --> 01:01:44,469
associated with UFOs or you know or

1178
01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:49,180
brothers or what yeah I'm open to

1179
01:01:57,660 --> 01:01:51,910
whatever you think it might be yeah but

1180
01:02:01,789 --> 01:01:57,670
it did progress I when I was a teenager

1181
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:01,799
I had a friend who was very much into

1182
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:04,799
astral projection out-of-body

1183
01:02:11,579 --> 01:02:09,249
experiences etc etc so much so that she

1184
01:02:14,479 --> 01:02:11,589
would experiment trying to actually lift

1185
01:02:17,609 --> 01:02:14,489
her body up you know and I'm you know

1186
01:02:20,910 --> 01:02:17,619
she's not crazy she really is into this

1187
01:02:23,009 --> 01:02:20,920
she's into Tibetan Buddhism and and she

1188
01:02:25,249 --> 01:02:23,019
used to tell me people could do that by

1189
01:02:28,739 --> 01:02:25,259
just concentrating they could do an OBE

1190
01:02:34,259 --> 01:02:28,749
I don't know that I'm capable of that

1191
01:02:36,660 --> 01:02:34,269
she told me she she could at some point

1192
01:02:38,130 --> 01:02:36,670
I attempted it a number of times you

1193
01:02:42,989 --> 01:02:38,140
know when you're friends with someone

1194
01:02:47,420 --> 01:02:42,999
the influence of friends etc but one

1195
01:02:51,439 --> 01:02:47,430
night while I was in this same house I

1196
01:02:55,259 --> 01:02:51,449
started feeling like I was levitating I

1197
01:02:57,689 --> 01:02:55,269
woke up and once again there was

1198
01:03:02,269 --> 01:02:57,699
something that was right next to me at

1199
01:03:05,759 --> 01:03:02,279
the bed but this time I am above it and

1200
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:05,769
I'm opening and struggling to open my

1201
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:10,209
eyes and I finally one opened my eyes to

1202
01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:16,569
find my eyes close to the ceiling do you

1203
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:18,190
tell me what that is

1204
01:03:24,820 --> 01:03:22,450
[Laughter]

1205
01:03:30,340 --> 01:03:24,830
sounds like an out-of-body experience to

1206
01:03:33,070 --> 01:03:30,350
me yeah it could be sounds similar to

1207
01:03:37,060 --> 01:03:33,080
one that I had when I was about six or

1208
01:03:38,740 --> 01:03:37,070
seven years old but you know what I was

1209
01:03:42,430 --> 01:03:38,750
interested in what we both share an

1210
01:03:44,770 --> 01:03:42,440
interest in in writing of course we have

1211
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:44,780
about two hundred and seventy books I

1212
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:46,730
guess we've published over the years

1213
01:03:51,010 --> 01:03:49,610
having written all of them I must say at

1214
01:03:56,890 --> 01:03:51,020
inertia force has written most of them

1215
01:04:00,760 --> 01:03:56,900
yeah well but I I noticed that you seem

1216
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:00,770
particularly interested in screen

1217
01:04:07,390 --> 01:04:03,410
writing the screenplays I mean do you

1218
01:04:11,790 --> 01:04:07,400
envision some of these stories making it

1219
01:04:14,830 --> 01:04:11,800
and exciting films oh I do

1220
01:04:19,030 --> 01:04:14,840
and I think that I seized upon that

1221
01:04:21,580 --> 01:04:19,040
particular currency because it's if you

1222
01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:21,590
do succeed and I'm hoping one day I will

1223
01:04:28,750 --> 01:04:24,110
just in getting one produced it will

1224
01:04:31,450 --> 01:04:28,760
come alive it is an extremely powerful

1225
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:31,460
medium and I'm not saying the writing is

1226
01:04:36,910 --> 01:04:34,400
not books or not but this is immediately

1227
01:04:41,020 --> 01:04:36,920
right there you can hear it you can see

1228
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:41,030
it and the pace of it is in such it's so

1229
01:04:48,070 --> 01:04:44,510
believable all the CGI things that you

1230
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:48,080
can do these days it's a great medium so

1231
01:04:52,030 --> 01:04:50,690
I am hoping and I belong to script I've

1232
01:04:57,210 --> 01:04:52,040
written this about a hundred and twelve

1233
01:05:00,990 --> 01:04:57,220
minutes which is you know about on car

1234
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:01,000
but it really capture Eliza's all those

1235
01:05:10,180 --> 01:05:05,170
events that people have encountered I

1236
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:10,190
adapted to of Philips books one he

1237
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:14,090
co-wrote with Paul Stonehill there were

1238
01:05:18,070 --> 01:05:16,310
all nonfiction but what I did was I took

1239
01:05:23,290 --> 01:05:18,080
one of the stories and it's called

1240
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:23,300
height 611 and it involves I'm trying to

1241
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:27,920
think about facts here it's a hill high

1242
01:05:34,770 --> 01:05:31,490
611 is the name of a hill that is in the

1243
01:05:43,210 --> 01:05:39,880
something crashed on the hill awaken the

1244
01:05:45,940 --> 01:05:43,220
entire small coal mining community and

1245
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:45,950
that's how it begins and the story

1246
01:05:52,090 --> 01:05:48,890
unfolds from there what happens to what

1247
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:52,100
they actually find and how they're

1248
01:05:58,600 --> 01:05:56,480
influenced by these beings and it go

1249
01:06:00,210 --> 01:05:58,610
ahead and then and this is completely

1250
01:06:02,860 --> 01:06:00,220
written already

1251
01:06:05,260 --> 01:06:02,870
yes these are completely written over

1252
01:06:08,380 --> 01:06:05,270
well hopefully somebody some big

1253
01:06:11,740 --> 01:06:08,390
Hollywood bigwig will hear the program

1254
01:06:14,140 --> 01:06:11,750
and perhaps a contact you and maybe by

1255
01:06:19,090 --> 01:06:14,150
that time a Tom Cruise will be back in

1256
01:06:20,740 --> 01:06:19,100
the action because he really I don't

1257
01:06:23,830 --> 01:06:20,750
think he's ever done I don't think he's

1258
01:06:26,410 --> 01:06:23,840
ever done a monster movie but jeez I

1259
01:06:27,970 --> 01:06:26,420
guess he really got you know what the

1260
01:06:30,580 --> 01:06:27,980
clobber there the other day doing a

1261
01:06:33,340 --> 01:06:30,590
special effects and you know I I know of

1262
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:33,350
having been involved in some production

1263
01:06:39,490 --> 01:06:37,310
work myself usually very well known you

1264
01:06:42,010 --> 01:06:39,500
know actors that they're not allowed to

1265
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:42,020
do their own special effects I mean he

1266
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:43,610
might have started out his career doing

1267
01:06:49,540 --> 01:06:46,010
it you know 25 years ago or something

1268
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:49,550
but usually if you have a you know a big

1269
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:51,770
Hollywood production and you're insured

1270
01:06:55,540 --> 01:06:53,810
which cost you a lot of money because

1271
01:06:57,010 --> 01:06:55,550
you got a lot of people working on the

1272
01:07:00,160 --> 01:06:57,020
the set and then there's some very

1273
01:07:01,780 --> 01:07:00,170
dangerous circumstances your your main

1274
01:07:03,550 --> 01:07:01,790
characters are not allowed to do that

1275
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:03,560
were they going to have stuff those the

1276
01:07:08,260 --> 01:07:05,930
doubles and stunt men and stuff do that

1277
01:07:10,420 --> 01:07:08,270
but I guess he he still I mean that

1278
01:07:13,180 --> 01:07:10,430
looked pretty dangerous to me I mean I I

1279
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:13,190
certainly wouldn't I'd have somebody sit

1280
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:15,440
in for me on that one yeah well

1281
01:07:20,620 --> 01:07:18,410
Hollywood definitely need some very well

1282
01:07:23,020 --> 01:07:20,630
written screenplays you know I mean

1283
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:23,030
anymore it's just all CGI and explosions

1284
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:26,090
you know with very little plot so very

1285
01:07:30,190 --> 01:07:28,400
very very very disappointing I mean I

1286
01:07:32,740 --> 01:07:30,200
I've seen some of these like you know

1287
01:07:35,290 --> 01:07:32,750
fast and furious or whatever they called

1288
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:35,300
it now and I was just so disappointed in

1289
01:07:41,790 --> 01:07:38,090
it because I I liked the first you know

1290
01:07:44,170 --> 01:07:41,800
six episodes they were real you know car

1291
01:07:46,450 --> 01:07:44,180
chase scenes and stuff like that and

1292
01:07:47,950 --> 01:07:46,460
this is all special effect I mean we

1293
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:47,960
know the rock isn't really

1294
01:07:53,950 --> 01:07:50,480
you know writing the missile and didn't

1295
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:53,960
torpedo it ruins it but I guess you know

1296
01:07:57,730 --> 01:07:56,089
it's so dramatic that for the first

1297
01:08:00,070 --> 01:07:57,740
couple of weeks I can come in and clean

1298
01:08:03,010 --> 01:08:00,080
up and make you know 400 million dollars

1299
01:08:04,329 --> 01:08:03,020
but I'd rather see I mean I like special

1300
01:08:08,339 --> 01:08:04,339
effects something wrong with it but I'd

1301
01:08:11,710 --> 01:08:08,349
like to see you know something a little

1302
01:08:14,410 --> 01:08:11,720
you know the story of behind it now

1303
01:08:16,209 --> 01:08:14,420
Michael you you you've been to some

1304
01:08:22,660 --> 01:08:16,219
places where movies have been made is

1305
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:22,670
that right yeah usually as I said before

1306
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:25,279
you know whenever we take a trip I I try

1307
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:27,770
to see what's a what's along the way

1308
01:08:34,539 --> 01:08:31,250
and I've been to most of the Close

1309
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:34,549
Encounters of filming locations near you

1310
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:36,290
bizarre event at Devil's Tower

1311
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:38,690
I have not been to Devil's Tower that's

1312
01:08:43,420 --> 01:08:41,330
what the most part more than that I

1313
01:08:47,140 --> 01:08:43,430
thought you just scale the side of it by

1314
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:47,150
now I am going to do that I so much want

1315
01:08:52,329 --> 01:08:48,890
to do that and they're starting to have

1316
01:08:55,900 --> 01:08:52,339
UFO festivals there no way really there

1317
01:08:58,059 --> 01:08:55,910
- yeah that the first one I think at

1318
01:09:00,579 --> 01:08:58,069
Devil's Tower is is going to be this

1319
01:09:01,900 --> 01:09:00,589
year I don't think I'll make it up for

1320
01:09:05,079 --> 01:09:01,910
that but maybe next year you know

1321
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:05,089
hopefully he'll go over well that'd be a

1322
01:09:10,990 --> 01:09:08,480
fantastic spot especially you know that

1323
01:09:13,059 --> 01:09:11,000
the the anniversary of the the movie

1324
01:09:15,190 --> 01:09:13,069
they're releasing that in two years I

1325
01:09:18,820 --> 01:09:15,200
had this with it this month I think it

1326
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:18,830
is yeah yes yeah yeah you know in fact I

1327
01:09:23,979 --> 01:09:21,920
just was going through some of my files

1328
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:23,989
yesterday and I came across a couple

1329
01:09:28,990 --> 01:09:26,810
issues of the Close Encounters a poster

1330
01:09:32,530 --> 01:09:29,000
magazine I was what what I was the

1331
01:09:34,539 --> 01:09:32,540
editor who had to draw the parallels

1332
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:34,549
behind between what happened in the

1333
01:09:39,940 --> 01:09:37,370
movie and what happened in in real UFO

1334
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:39,950
cases which of course I do I mean by

1335
01:09:44,769 --> 01:09:41,810
looking at the the film kind of what he

1336
01:09:48,729 --> 01:09:44,779
had in mind and if I didn't I mean they

1337
01:09:52,090 --> 01:09:48,739
could draw on actual case of studies and

1338
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:52,100
then I found an article well it wasn't

1339
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:53,359
really much of an article it was a

1340
01:09:58,930 --> 01:09:56,719
drawing of Devil's Tower I always

1341
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:58,940
wondered where you know that concept for

1342
01:10:01,810 --> 01:10:00,560
Devil's Tower came from had there been

1343
01:10:03,250 --> 01:10:01,820
UFO sightings there

1344
01:10:05,260 --> 01:10:03,260
previously because there had been

1345
01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:05,270
anything written on it but I found an

1346
01:10:10,270 --> 01:10:07,880
issue of a little publication that came

1347
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:10,280
out of New York called flying saucer

1348
01:10:17,229 --> 01:10:13,730
News which was edited by a fellow long

1349
01:10:20,890 --> 01:10:17,239
since deceased by the name of James rig

1350
01:10:23,919 --> 01:10:20,900
burg now this would have been well a jet

1351
01:10:26,589 --> 01:10:23,929
James had a bookstore it was called

1352
01:10:29,890 --> 01:10:26,599
flying social news and prosperity clinic

1353
01:10:32,740 --> 01:10:29,900
and he used to sell little you his

1354
01:10:36,370 --> 01:10:32,750
newsletters and in fact some of the tea

1355
01:10:37,839 --> 01:10:36,380
Lobsang romp of material I got them from

1356
01:10:40,180 --> 01:10:37,849
him because Rumple couldn't find a

1357
01:10:42,250 --> 01:10:40,190
publisher for it here in this country

1358
01:10:46,350 --> 01:10:42,260
but his flying saucer news I think

1359
01:10:50,140 --> 01:10:46,360
around 1956 or 57 contained in the

1360
01:10:52,660 --> 01:10:50,150
artwork of the devil's power and said

1361
01:10:55,209 --> 01:10:52,670
that there had been UFO sightings around

1362
01:10:57,580 --> 01:10:55,219
there so that was many many years before

1363
01:11:00,459 --> 01:10:57,590
Close Encounters came out I know it was

1364
01:11:02,020 --> 01:11:00,469
an inspiration to Spielberg or not I

1365
01:11:04,629 --> 01:11:02,030
can't imagine how we got ahold of that

1366
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:04,639
little magazine but yes devil's power

1367
01:11:21,070 --> 01:11:18,490
now back to explore in the bazaar with

1368
01:11:24,370 --> 01:11:21,080
two of the most electrifying researchers

1369
01:11:30,460 --> 01:11:24,380
were paranoid your host Timothy Rebecca

1370
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:30,470
Lee Anton Swartz you know it's so nice

1371
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:32,690
what he says about us every week it is

1372
01:11:38,910 --> 01:11:33,650
there it is

1373
01:11:46,330 --> 01:11:44,080
and it's true as well well Michael I

1374
01:11:52,570 --> 01:11:46,340
want to ask you where have you been

1375
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:52,580
lately well let's see when was I on the

1376
01:11:57,250 --> 01:11:55,280
show last if he was like October

1377
01:11:59,080 --> 01:11:57,260
September or something like that last

1378
01:12:02,800 --> 01:11:59,090
year and all I will see you're almost a

1379
01:12:05,710 --> 01:12:02,810
year ago right yeah well since then I

1380
01:12:10,750 --> 01:12:05,720
probably visited about 30 haunted houses

1381
01:12:13,210 --> 01:12:10,760
a lot of different ones from some famous

1382
01:12:16,450 --> 01:12:13,220
ones you know like The Exorcist house

1383
01:12:19,450 --> 01:12:16,460
and in the left mansion and the [\h__\h]

1384
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:19,460
mansion and you know places like that

1385
01:12:26,830 --> 01:12:24,530
and in January soon after I visited like

1386
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:26,840
six houses like in one day you know I

1387
01:12:32,650 --> 01:12:29,890
find myself in the hospital so oh my god

1388
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:32,660
yeah that was back in January so I was

1389
01:12:37,420 --> 01:12:35,090
sort of out of it for about you know two

1390
01:12:40,810 --> 01:12:37,430
months we didn't do much traveling but

1391
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:40,820
once I was recuperated we got back on

1392
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:44,570
the road went down to Eureka Springs we

1393
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:46,970
went to Alton you know for a ghost

1394
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:49,130
conference and visited some haunted

1395
01:12:55,480 --> 01:12:51,920
stuff around there we just took a trip

1396
01:12:59,020 --> 01:12:55,490
recently to to Chicago as I mentioned

1397
01:13:02,170 --> 01:12:59,030
earlier checked out some museums movie

1398
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:02,180
locations we visited a lot of Blues

1399
01:13:08,140 --> 01:13:06,080
Brothers swimming locations and Ferris

1400
01:13:11,530 --> 01:13:08,150
Bueller's Day Off you know that times

1401
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:11,540
got a lot of movie movie spots although

1402
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:15,280
my favorite that I was able to find was

1403
01:13:22,930 --> 01:13:18,650
kolchak's office building from the TV

1404
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:22,940
show Kolchak oh yeah yeah yeah so I was

1405
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:24,690
able to see that you know

1406
01:13:29,780 --> 01:13:27,449
one of my favorite shows growing up you

1407
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:29,790
know back in the 70s everybody yeah it

1408
01:13:35,300 --> 01:13:31,530
was the x-files of its day you know uh

1409
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:35,310
sort of neat to see the actual offices

1410
01:13:41,900 --> 01:13:39,330
where the IMF's building uh was a yeah

1411
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:41,910
we did a lot of traveling you know the

1412
01:13:47,890 --> 01:13:43,650
sort of stuff that we do

1413
01:13:50,750 --> 01:13:47,900
visiting UFO spots that we visited the

1414
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:50,760
the roaring river encounter which was

1415
01:13:55,060 --> 01:13:52,650
investigated by it was the first case

1416
01:14:00,050 --> 01:13:55,070
that Hynek in the Ted Phillips worked on

1417
01:14:04,810 --> 01:14:00,060
back in 66 that what was that what was

1418
01:14:09,709 --> 01:14:04,820
that a Roaring River State Park in

1419
01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:09,719
southern Missouri was the first case

1420
01:14:15,709 --> 01:14:13,070
that Ted Phillips and J Allen Hynek

1421
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:15,719
collaborated on you know it was is that

1422
01:14:25,550 --> 01:14:22,530
there was a group of hunters nearby the

1423
01:14:27,860 --> 01:14:25,560
the park area called Roaring River and

1424
01:14:29,450 --> 01:14:27,870
they were returning to their camp and

1425
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:29,460
they noticed that their camp was on fire

1426
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:32,489
so you know they rushed to their camp

1427
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:34,890
just some time to see a flying saucer

1428
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:39,120
lift off you know and the they had taken

1429
01:14:45,380 --> 01:14:42,570
a couple of pictures of the object as it

1430
01:14:49,660 --> 01:14:45,390
as it blew away so you know you have a

1431
01:14:52,090 --> 01:14:49,670
trace case and a photographic case and

1432
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:52,100
one of the one of the early

1433
01:14:58,360 --> 01:14:54,570
collaborations after I think they got

1434
01:15:02,920 --> 01:14:58,370
together after the Socorro sighting

1435
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:02,930
really the photographs of classic UFO

1436
01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:05,130
photographs and that tell me people know

1437
01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:09,000
about it but no no is that on your site

1438
01:15:15,380 --> 01:15:12,780
or on the google it yeah you can find it

1439
01:15:17,209 --> 01:15:15,390
through a you know some of my some of my

1440
01:15:19,700 --> 01:15:17,219
Instagram and stuff I got some pictures

1441
01:15:22,340 --> 01:15:19,710
of the location and the original

1442
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:22,350
photographs some of the Facebook stuff

1443
01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:24,449
up there I uh it's more like so oh yeah

1444
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:26,280
yeah yeah yeah do that because we want

1445
01:15:32,590 --> 01:15:29,250
we want to do our Youtube version pretty

1446
01:15:36,979 --> 01:15:32,600
pretty quickly and Randy any or more

1447
01:15:38,540 --> 01:15:36,989
discuss for you to in the more artwork

1448
01:15:40,939 --> 01:15:38,550
and pictures and all we have the

1449
01:15:45,919 --> 01:15:40,949
more exciting we could make the youtube

1450
01:15:49,459 --> 01:15:45,929
version and make it almost come alive HD

1451
01:15:53,899 --> 01:15:49,469
version the the Rory rivers UFO looks an

1452
01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:53,909
awful lot like the UFO that was taken in

1453
01:15:58,729 --> 01:15:57,449
the 60s by some kids in Michigan I think

1454
01:16:01,939 --> 01:15:58,739
you know with that same kind of almost

1455
01:16:03,530 --> 01:16:01,949
like antenna like spot that one that

1456
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:03,540
would I remember but I think later on

1457
01:16:07,549 --> 01:16:04,800
they said it was a hoax

1458
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:07,559
yeah well the Rory rivers UFO is very

1459
01:16:13,069 --> 01:16:10,320
reminiscent of that one well actually I

1460
01:16:16,370 --> 01:16:13,079
think the Roaring River although you are

1461
01:16:22,250 --> 01:16:16,380
correct but about that case I think it

1462
01:16:25,370 --> 01:16:22,260
probably more closely resembles the the

1463
01:16:29,959 --> 01:16:25,380
Portage County UFO chase named Anna

1464
01:16:32,359 --> 01:16:29,969
chase I think that UFO probably most

1465
01:16:36,859 --> 01:16:32,369
resembles what's in the the Roaring

1466
01:16:40,910 --> 01:16:36,869
River picture but yeah I like I like to

1467
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:40,920
visit these older spots you know just a

1468
01:16:45,410 --> 01:16:43,290
dock to document the location and can to

1469
01:16:47,149 --> 01:16:45,420
get people interested in you know

1470
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:47,159
looking at some of these old cases their

1471
01:16:52,970 --> 01:16:50,010
historical impact as well as you know

1472
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:52,980
getting people encouraged you we have to

1473
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:54,480
do some traveling we have to get the

1474
01:17:03,350 --> 01:16:58,159
locals to do a roaring river festival

1475
01:17:05,770 --> 01:17:03,360
you know why not well I mean you know

1476
01:17:08,750 --> 01:17:05,780
there's a thin line between you know

1477
01:17:10,879 --> 01:17:08,760
exploitation and yes you know honoring

1478
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:10,889
your heritage in your folklore and all

1479
01:17:17,209 --> 01:17:15,360
that and you know if if it's done you

1480
01:17:19,490 --> 01:17:17,219
know I think in a good way it can be

1481
01:17:20,959 --> 01:17:19,500
positive for for everybody involved if

1482
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:20,969
people want to go and see it you know

1483
01:17:33,049 --> 01:17:28,250
then yeah well I did go to the Pine Bush

1484
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:33,059
UFO parade in Festival this year I was

1485
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:35,369
kind of disappointed in the parade it

1486
01:17:41,450 --> 01:17:38,400
lasted about three or four minutes but

1487
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:41,460
then Pine Bush is not the easiest place

1488
01:17:48,109 --> 01:17:44,400
in the world too low to find even

1489
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:48,119
because Pine Bush is not a city in

1490
01:17:52,419 --> 01:17:51,570
itself it is a hamlet inside another

1491
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:52,429
city

1492
01:17:58,419 --> 01:17:56,090
and it stretches only a few I don't know

1493
01:18:02,320 --> 01:17:58,429
how how many blocks but that they sell

1494
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:02,330
tractors there and well I don't know

1495
01:18:06,700 --> 01:18:04,610
it's it was an interesting event and

1496
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:06,710
there were some very good speakers they

1497
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:10,640
had a tent out in the that they put up

1498
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:13,370
and you could hear Linda Zimmerman in

1499
01:18:18,939 --> 01:18:16,400
the Peter Robbins and Travis Walton was

1500
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:18,949
in town and I think they're planning

1501
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:21,530
even a bigger event for next year so

1502
01:18:26,380 --> 01:18:24,290
maybe we can all meet in bring your

1503
01:18:32,740 --> 01:18:26,390
binoculars and we can all meet in Pine

1504
01:18:36,370 --> 01:18:32,750
Bush I'm gonna go so where where where

1505
01:18:40,060 --> 01:18:36,380
are you planning to to stakeout next or

1506
01:18:43,300 --> 01:18:40,070
stalk well actually a tomorrow morning

1507
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:43,310
I'll be leaving for Kelly Hopkinsville

1508
01:18:49,899 --> 01:18:46,250
Kentucky oh boy that is one of my

1509
01:18:53,890 --> 01:18:49,909
favorite cases do you think that the the

1510
01:18:57,580 --> 01:18:53,900
structure still exists the structure

1511
01:18:59,200 --> 01:18:57,590
does not exist that it was torn down and

1512
01:19:05,220 --> 01:18:59,210
there was another house place on that

1513
01:19:08,260 --> 01:19:05,230
property but the well still exists where

1514
01:19:11,459 --> 01:19:08,270
where the witness went out and you know

1515
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:11,469
saw that saw the object

1516
01:19:16,750 --> 01:19:14,690
billy-ray I think his name was uh yeah

1517
01:19:19,390 --> 01:19:16,760
and the field right next to that is

1518
01:19:22,660 --> 01:19:19,400
where they hold what's called little

1519
01:19:25,330 --> 01:19:22,670
green men days festival

1520
01:19:27,399 --> 01:19:25,340
Geraldine sentenced stiff is one of the

1521
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:27,409
people behind that the Sutton family

1522
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:31,730
suddenly the saker's and you know they

1523
01:19:36,370 --> 01:19:33,679
started I guess like maybe six years ago

1524
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:36,380
but taking advantage of their history

1525
01:19:43,810 --> 01:19:39,530
and people's interest in coming to Kelly

1526
01:19:46,180 --> 01:19:43,820
uh you know to look around and well you

1527
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:46,190
know now visitor the history it didn't

1528
01:19:51,700 --> 01:19:48,800
the skeptic say on this one what we had

1529
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:51,710
moth meant was an al in this one weren't

1530
01:19:58,180 --> 01:19:54,290
they supposed to be chimpanzees that got

1531
01:20:00,689 --> 01:19:58,190
loose from the circus or so well that is

1532
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:00,699
one of the only chimp at the only

1533
01:20:07,159 --> 01:20:04,250
chimpanzees and my feeling are the

1534
01:20:13,919 --> 01:20:11,219
well actually I think you skeptics a

1535
01:20:15,330 --> 01:20:13,929
look at the owl theory again with that

1536
01:20:17,759 --> 01:20:15,340
although you know you're dealing with

1537
01:20:22,259 --> 01:20:17,769
rural folk here you know they're going

1538
01:20:23,580 --> 01:20:22,269
to know when an owl is you know and no

1539
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:23,590
matter how much you drink in and

1540
01:20:28,979 --> 01:20:25,360
supposedly these people would draw you

1541
01:20:31,699 --> 01:20:28,989
know but but as far as the the monkey

1542
01:20:36,140 --> 01:20:31,709
theory that that is out there and

1543
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:36,150
supposedly there was a circus in town

1544
01:20:41,009 --> 01:20:38,320
you know we're trying to find more

1545
01:20:43,709 --> 01:20:41,019
information about that you know well

1546
01:20:46,259 --> 01:20:43,719
some other circuitry a monkey yeah if

1547
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:46,269
the monkeys escaped did they suddenly

1548
01:20:53,609 --> 01:20:50,050
disappear and go back to the circus yeah

1549
01:20:56,839 --> 01:20:53,619
good question yet the trainer's held out

1550
01:21:00,330 --> 01:20:56,849
peanuts and they ran off the roof and

1551
01:21:01,859 --> 01:21:00,340
went back to the big to the of course if

1552
01:21:04,319 --> 01:21:01,869
you've watched the movie killer clowns

1553
01:21:06,649 --> 01:21:04,329
from outer space you know it's all done

1554
01:21:11,819 --> 01:21:06,659
in under a tent anyway that the UFOs a

1555
01:21:13,679 --> 01:21:11,829
giant circus tent yeah well I'm looking

1556
01:21:15,390 --> 01:21:13,689
forward to the circus that's going to be

1557
01:21:18,839 --> 01:21:15,400
there this weekend Kelly

1558
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:18,849
incidentally the anniversary of the

1559
01:21:29,069 --> 01:21:24,159
incident in 1955 occurs on Monday Mike

1560
01:21:31,229 --> 01:21:29,079
my first uh so and everybody has been

1561
01:21:35,189 --> 01:21:31,239
watching the news knows that Monday is

1562
01:21:38,509 --> 01:21:35,199
the Eclipse oh and we've but we've been

1563
01:21:40,890 --> 01:21:38,519
hearing rumors that all the equipted

1564
01:21:43,589 --> 01:21:40,900
including the reptilians are going to

1565
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:43,599
come out in Stach themselves a human or

1566
01:21:48,810 --> 01:21:46,449
- yeah thanks South Carolina I think

1567
01:21:51,290 --> 01:21:48,820
your North Carolina one of those states

1568
01:21:54,929 --> 01:21:51,300
down there is issued that warning but a

1569
01:21:56,939 --> 01:21:54,939
Kelly's distinction I think with this is

1570
01:22:01,319 --> 01:21:56,949
that it takes place on the anniversary

1571
01:22:04,679 --> 01:22:01,329
of the event but it's also the the

1572
01:22:08,459 --> 01:22:04,689
center of the Eclipse it's the longest

1573
01:22:11,310 --> 01:22:08,469
point duration well so Kelly Kelly it

1574
01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:11,320
will be a Hopkinsville will be in the

1575
01:22:16,020 --> 01:22:13,510
news this now that that's a great that's

1576
01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:16,030
a great story your hobby you know what

1577
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:19,030
you would think that the local news will

1578
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:20,050
however local

1579
01:22:24,359 --> 01:22:22,239
Louisville or something I guess what

1580
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:24,369
would jut would jump on that one

1581
01:22:30,899 --> 01:22:27,280
well I local news has been all over it

1582
01:22:33,569 --> 01:22:30,909
hotels have been booked for a year at

1583
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:33,579
CBS News did a report on the Wall Street

1584
01:22:38,729 --> 01:22:35,679
Journal did a report on it just a test

1585
01:22:41,129 --> 01:22:38,739
you know a couple of days so everybody's

1586
01:22:42,839 --> 01:22:41,139
sort of taking an interest in in what's

1587
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:42,849
going on down there if it's a four day

1588
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:45,760
festival this year and I actually got a

1589
01:22:50,010 --> 01:22:47,679
guy I mean are the speakers will Stanton

1590
01:22:53,310 --> 01:22:50,020
Friedman be there or I don't think

1591
01:22:57,959 --> 01:22:53,320
there's any any big people I think yeah

1592
01:22:59,359 --> 01:22:57,969
you would think but I don't know it I'm

1593
01:23:02,010 --> 01:22:59,369
going to be there filming a documentary

1594
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:02,020
you are all like the gist that's so

1595
01:23:07,169 --> 01:23:02,650
exciting

1596
01:23:11,729 --> 01:23:07,179
yes they are doing a movie premiere they

1597
01:23:13,530 --> 01:23:11,739
filmed a a invasion of Kelley movie that

1598
01:23:15,689 --> 01:23:13,540
is going to be premiering down there

1599
01:23:17,850 --> 01:23:15,699
Friday and it's a four-day event this

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01:23:19,950 --> 01:23:17,860
year so they you know they got movies

1601
01:23:22,799 --> 01:23:19,960
they got speakers you know a lot of you

1602
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:22,809
I am a giant I am person I am out of the

1603
01:23:29,129 --> 01:23:26,770
loop on this one well I'll try to I'll

1604
01:23:31,169 --> 01:23:29,139
try to keep you in the loop I'll say yes

1605
01:23:32,729 --> 01:23:31,179
let me send me a couple of links you

1606
01:23:35,399 --> 01:23:32,739
know like to the broadcasts and stuff

1607
01:23:37,260 --> 01:23:35,409
like that and I I want to watch them in

1608
01:23:38,819 --> 01:23:37,270
fact maybe I'll stay up till three or

1609
01:23:41,310 --> 01:23:38,829
four Cola I always stay up to three or

1610
01:23:45,330 --> 01:23:41,320
four or five o'clock anyway so that's no

1611
01:23:49,319 --> 01:23:45,340
big deal live I watch a YouTube on my

1612
01:23:51,660 --> 01:23:49,329
giant 56 inch TV screen of course you

1613
01:23:53,310 --> 01:23:51,670
can make it it gets frozen a lot that's

1614
01:23:56,189 --> 01:23:53,320
my one complaint about YouTube

1615
01:23:58,319 --> 01:23:56,199
I always it just freezes up on you and

1616
01:24:00,899 --> 01:23:58,329
then you got it blows up to TV and it's

1617
01:24:04,919 --> 01:24:00,909
a it's a real one mess but you know

1618
01:24:11,660 --> 01:24:04,929
we're actually getting close to midnight

1619
01:24:16,770 --> 01:24:11,670
here on the East Coast and we do want to

1620
01:24:20,060 --> 01:24:16,780
get back to and here for a moment or two

1621
01:24:22,049 --> 01:24:20,070
and what what are your immediate

1622
01:24:26,339 --> 01:24:22,059
projects I mean is there anything that's

1623
01:24:30,359 --> 01:24:26,349
really cooking oh you mean me yeah yeah

1624
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:30,369
oh yeah I actually have a screenplay I

1625
01:24:36,340 --> 01:24:33,410
wrote the first draft last year I just

1626
01:24:39,790 --> 01:24:36,350
recently picked it up again it's called

1627
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:39,800
gallery 966 and it's about two women one

1628
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:44,690
of whom has been been able to enter a

1629
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:49,010
portal in a painting where she meets an

1630
01:24:55,060 --> 01:24:53,450
incubus so it's a you know it's a [\h__\h]

1631
01:24:58,750 --> 01:24:55,070
you got a little to get a little sex in

1632
01:25:00,700 --> 01:24:58,760
there huh yeah a little bit yeah you got

1633
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:00,710
it you got it you got it you got a panda

1634
01:25:04,300 --> 01:25:02,210
you got a panda especially if you're

1635
01:25:05,260 --> 01:25:04,310
going to make it Hollywood you know yeah

1636
01:25:08,050 --> 01:25:05,270
yeah

1637
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:08,060
you say that so I'm actually in the

1638
01:25:13,210 --> 01:25:10,610
process of polishing that finishing the

1639
01:25:14,830 --> 01:25:13,220
book at the same time and as you well

1640
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:14,840
know I'm a school counselor so we're

1641
01:25:21,490 --> 01:25:17,570
going back shortly actually on the

1642
01:25:23,380 --> 01:25:21,500
glitch day so of all you know I noticed

1643
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:23,390
they said they were not going to let the

1644
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:26,570
students out to look at the Eclipse no

1645
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:30,530
ah what suppose who's not letting them

1646
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:33,290
do that that's horrible it's going to be

1647
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:37,040
business as usual from what actually

1648
01:25:41,170 --> 01:25:39,440
we're in the building first but I don't

1649
01:25:45,970 --> 01:25:41,180
know that anyone's going to be allowed

1650
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:45,980
to leave and then other than that I'm

1651
01:25:54,190 --> 01:25:49,040
actually going back to a home that was

1652
01:25:56,650 --> 01:25:54,200
built in 1878 and actually doing a

1653
01:25:59,710 --> 01:25:56,660
little bit of investigating this home

1654
01:26:05,380 --> 01:25:59,720
was built by my grandfather's

1655
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:05,390
grandfather so I will be there for a

1656
01:26:13,150 --> 01:26:09,650
couple of weeks taking pictures I had a

1657
01:26:16,510 --> 01:26:13,160
case where I had a lot of orbs in the

1658
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:16,520
photographs and no matter how I clean

1659
01:26:23,530 --> 01:26:19,730
the camera lens they came out and then I

1660
01:26:24,420 --> 01:26:23,540
had where they were they Orange by any

1661
01:26:26,860 --> 01:26:24,430
chance

1662
01:26:27,700 --> 01:26:26,870
actually they were it's interesting that

1663
01:26:30,690 --> 01:26:27,710
you asked me that

1664
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:30,700
and another one I hadn't mentioned is

1665
01:26:36,370 --> 01:26:34,010
there is a college campus in a little

1666
01:26:39,550 --> 01:26:36,380
rural town in the Philippines called Las

1667
01:26:44,020 --> 01:26:39,560
Vegas and that is incredibly haunted

1668
01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:44,030
because they put the p-n POWs in the

1669
01:26:51,090 --> 01:26:46,510
gymnasium and they torture

1670
01:26:56,090 --> 01:26:51,100
them in the basement and they took a

1671
01:26:59,370 --> 01:26:56,100
bunch of clergy and actually you know

1672
01:27:02,180 --> 01:26:59,380
did what they did with them they had

1673
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:02,190
them walking until they dropped dead

1674
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:07,050
someday shot you know in a line and they

1675
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:09,760
buried some of the bodies underneath

1676
01:27:19,140 --> 01:27:15,760
what is now the auditorium stage so I'm

1677
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:19,150
going back to that area to just check

1678
01:27:28,620 --> 01:27:25,360
into that what what are you hoping will

1679
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:28,630
come about from that I mean well you

1680
01:27:35,130 --> 01:27:31,840
have any expectations I suppose I'm

1681
01:27:38,490 --> 01:27:35,140
hoping to actually get some activity

1682
01:27:40,770 --> 01:27:38,500
with a camera I'm taking a couple of

1683
01:27:43,890 --> 01:27:40,780
people with me with their own cameras

1684
01:27:49,410 --> 01:27:43,900
because as you well know orbs could just

1685
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:49,420
easily be specks of dust what I was told

1686
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:52,090
and this is the talk of the town is that

1687
01:28:01,260 --> 01:27:56,320
these orbs are actually manifestations

1688
01:28:03,810 --> 01:28:01,270
of spirits that are you know disquieted

1689
01:28:05,670 --> 01:28:03,820
by all the violence etc but I'm going to

1690
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:05,680
actually put that to the test by having

1691
01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:07,360
three different people with three

1692
01:28:13,890 --> 01:28:10,450
different pieces of equipment mmm are

1693
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:13,900
you zhing the still cameras a video or

1694
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:17,440
combination of the two still mostly I

1695
01:28:23,700 --> 01:28:21,040
have a Pentax another gentleman has a

1696
01:28:26,660 --> 01:28:23,710
cannon I forget what the third camera is

1697
01:28:29,790 --> 01:28:26,670
like but they're all pretty much still

1698
01:28:33,210 --> 01:28:29,800
and I'm going to include some of that in

1699
01:28:34,770 --> 01:28:33,220
the book Oh fantastic

1700
01:28:38,190 --> 01:28:34,780
you'll have to let us you'll have to let

1701
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:38,200
us know what happens how will with with

1702
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:40,930
with that trip yeah and remember and

1703
01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:45,730
remember we frighten easily well to Tim

1704
01:28:59,390 --> 01:28:50,560
does right now right now I'm hiding

1705
01:29:02,400 --> 01:28:59,400
under the desk with a model of what well

1706
01:29:04,620 --> 01:29:02,410
the liquor store closes in five minutes

1707
01:29:07,770 --> 01:29:04,630
I better at the liquor store closes in

1708
01:29:10,290 --> 01:29:07,780
five minutes and we close in six right

1709
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:10,300
all right well I just I wanted to I want

1710
01:29:14,939 --> 01:29:13,090
to ask and real quick I mean have you

1711
01:29:17,610 --> 01:29:14,949
have you ever seen have you seen any

1712
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:17,620
kind of correlation maybe you know

1713
01:29:21,810 --> 01:29:19,449
because you've had experiences you know

1714
01:29:23,660 --> 01:29:21,820
both both with you know like ghosts and

1715
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:23,670
UFOs and you know maybe not necessarily

1716
01:29:30,180 --> 01:29:26,890
your own experiences but I mean has

1717
01:29:32,700 --> 01:29:30,190
anybody you know ever told you that yeah

1718
01:29:34,490 --> 01:29:32,710
they saw a UFO and hey guess what now my

1719
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:34,500
house is haunted

1720
01:29:43,290 --> 01:29:39,250
no is so far no they've been pretty in

1721
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:43,300
my experiences the cases were pretty

1722
01:29:48,300 --> 01:29:46,000
discreet not to say that these people

1723
01:29:50,700 --> 01:29:48,310
probably had seen a haunting at some

1724
01:29:53,010 --> 01:29:50,710
point but but they're very discreet when

1725
01:29:57,060 --> 01:29:53,020
they're reporting something it's either

1726
01:29:59,010 --> 01:29:57,070
an alien like the case of I don't think

1727
01:30:02,479 --> 01:29:59,020
I talked about this Washington Crossing

1728
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:02,489
State Park which is close to a year or

1729
01:30:08,850 --> 01:30:06,210
it's an actual haunting but it's never

1730
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:08,860
although there is one house now that I

1731
01:30:15,570 --> 01:30:10,800
remember it there this house is in

1732
01:30:20,189 --> 01:30:15,580
Thailand after they had seen something

1733
01:30:23,070 --> 01:30:20,199
called a tree demon right behind the

1734
01:30:27,150 --> 01:30:23,080
tree where it had materialized there was

1735
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:27,160
a huge round ball of light and it wasn't

1736
01:30:31,470 --> 01:30:29,920
the moon because it was and someone

1737
01:30:34,590 --> 01:30:31,480
mentioned this it was Orange

1738
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:34,600
it was orange red and it was very bright

1739
01:30:41,070 --> 01:30:38,290
and it was traveling very slowly and

1740
01:30:44,490 --> 01:30:41,080
then it suddenly zipped out I think that

1741
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:44,500
was the only case that I've ever seen

1742
01:30:47,370 --> 01:30:45,610
where there was kind of like a

1743
01:30:49,290 --> 01:30:47,380
juxtaposition between something

1744
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:49,300
paranormal and something that was more

1745
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:53,650
like an alien activity and I said what

1746
01:31:00,090 --> 01:30:56,250
what what do you feel about I mean

1747
01:31:02,370 --> 01:31:00,100
aliens are they coming here from some

1748
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:02,380
other planet are they I guess you seem

1749
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:05,130
to sway in the direction of the

1750
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:10,690
interdimensional or III think it would

1751
01:31:18,380 --> 01:31:12,490
be

1752
01:31:22,230 --> 01:31:18,390
are the only ones here

1753
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:22,240
considering the breasts and the size of

1754
01:31:27,180 --> 01:31:23,410
the multiverse

1755
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:27,190
and when I say multiverse there are

1756
01:31:33,780 --> 01:31:30,370
several levels of reality different

1757
01:31:36,810 --> 01:31:33,790
levels of consciousness I can't believe

1758
01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:36,820
that we're the only ones here I really

1759
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:40,450
can't do I think they're benevolent I

1760
01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:42,730
think most of them are only because the

1761
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:44,800
experiences I have had been mostly

1762
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:49,440
benevolent I didn't discuss that tonight

1763
01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:52,570
there are some that are but the ones

1764
01:31:59,370 --> 01:31:55,450
that I've seen that are malevolent is

1765
01:32:02,700 --> 01:31:59,380
based on other cases with this reports

1766
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:02,710
to me well that would have the same here

1767
01:32:09,330 --> 01:32:05,770
I mean from 50 years of doing this it

1768
01:32:14,730 --> 01:32:09,340
seems that we have both the good and

1769
01:32:16,860 --> 01:32:14,740
evil just like we have down here I mean

1770
01:32:23,250 --> 01:32:16,870
you're here hello four down here or not

1771
01:32:28,260 --> 01:32:23,260
I notice we've hit a little turbulence

1772
01:32:31,470 --> 01:32:28,270
there in our in our flight because I

1773
01:32:36,090 --> 01:32:31,480
guess we're just about ready to to land

1774
01:32:40,100 --> 01:32:36,100
the the mothership and I do what a just

1775
01:32:44,190 --> 01:32:40,110
guess both of our guests how can our

1776
01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:44,200
award-winning listeners get in touch

1777
01:32:48,810 --> 01:32:46,480
with you or read up on your activities

1778
01:32:51,630 --> 01:32:48,820
and let's start with you and then we'll

1779
01:32:54,330 --> 01:32:51,640
go to Michael okay well I have two

1780
01:32:57,810 --> 01:32:54,340
Facebook pages the updates for the book

1781
01:33:00,120 --> 01:32:57,820
is under Adele Casals Rocha and the

1782
01:33:04,110 --> 01:33:00,130
other one is under my name and make it

1783
01:33:08,820 --> 01:33:04,120
simple at annemun allo ma n alo I also

1784
01:33:11,460 --> 01:33:08,830
have a website that I update and it is

1785
01:33:17,220 --> 01:33:11,470
oh my gosh I'm actually some story

1786
01:33:20,660 --> 01:33:17,230
artisan that wordpress.com and I I'm

1787
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:20,670
pretty I'm pretty sure Tina has provided

1788
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:26,290
go to kco or radio.com

1789
01:33:34,380 --> 01:33:31,810
on the the exploring the bazaar page I'm

1790
01:33:37,230 --> 01:33:34,390
sure there are link ups and Michael take

1791
01:33:40,440 --> 01:33:37,240
it away let's get on the road again what

1792
01:33:45,540 --> 01:33:40,450
how can then find out your activities

1793
01:33:48,300 --> 01:33:45,550
and what do you post and okay well I'm

1794
01:33:51,690 --> 01:33:48,310
one of those crazy active social media

1795
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:51,700
guys so you can pretty much find

1796
01:33:56,910 --> 01:33:53,890
something for me every day on Facebook

1797
01:33:58,650 --> 01:33:56,920
Instagram Twitter Tumblr all those all

1798
01:34:01,470 --> 01:33:58,660
those good places I'm usually pretty

1799
01:34:03,780 --> 01:34:01,480
accessible and I share a lot of stories

1800
01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:03,790
and pictures you know give a lot of free

1801
01:34:08,030 --> 01:34:05,920
content out there you know yeah you

1802
01:34:11,460 --> 01:34:08,040
should be you should be on the lecture a

1803
01:34:15,540 --> 01:34:11,470
lecture circuit oh then you get a come

1804
01:34:17,970 --> 01:34:15,550
up with a lecture and yeah this is a

1805
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:17,980
lecture bed at the old days you throw up

1806
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:20,170
a slide projector and show everywhere

1807
01:34:24,330 --> 01:34:22,050
that you've been do that

1808
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:24,340
maybe we'll get around to that I get a

1809
01:34:29,070 --> 01:34:27,040
lot of trash someone to do but I also

1810
01:34:33,210 --> 01:34:29,080
have a Huntington's of strange travels a

1811
01:34:37,230 --> 01:34:33,220
wordpress site you know but anybody

1812
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:37,240
wants to of a befriend me anywhere more

1813
01:34:44,010 --> 01:34:40,000
than welcome there you go well I would

1814
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:44,020
say we had a fascinating show and we're

1815
01:34:50,940 --> 01:34:48,610
just coming into the the doc here and

1816
01:34:53,190 --> 01:34:50,950
we'll be taking off our baggage and our

1817
01:34:56,660 --> 01:34:53,200
camera equipment and I see the muddy

1818
01:35:00,060 --> 01:34:56,670
monster is waiting for us outside the

1819
01:35:02,250 --> 01:35:00,070
gateway a door so it'll be another week

1820
01:35:05,260 --> 01:35:02,260
get Tim and we will be back with another

1821
01:35:11,650 --> 01:35:05,270
exciting episode of ah

1822
01:35:18,500 --> 01:35:14,479
you've been listening to exploring the

1823
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:18,510
bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and to

1824
01:35:25,100 --> 01:35:22,080
Swartz taking back the night by getting

1825
01:35:27,140 --> 01:35:25,110
non-stop about the cosmos in search of

1826
01:35:30,820 --> 01:35:27,150
the truly bizarre and totally

1827
01:35:33,940 --> 01:35:30,830
unexplained with you as they're coming

1828
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:33,950
Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific

1829
01:35:41,780 --> 01:35:39,810
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1830
01:35:44,900 --> 01:35:41,790
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1831
01:35:47,390 --> 01:35:44,910
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1832
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:47,400
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1833
01:35:55,660 --> 01:35:50,610
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1834
01:36:07,710 --> 01:35:55,670
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